Get Out There | 03 Black Bears In Southern Oregon
Hosted by Robert Biscarret and Billy Newman
Robert tells his story of navigating the technical rapids on the lower rogue river.
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hello and thank you for listening to this episode of the get out there podcast my name’s Billy Newman i’m here today with Robert De scratch I you doing Robert good Billy are you doing I’m doing really good thanks a lot for doing another episode of this podcast I think we’re doing episode number three today we are it’s pretty cool man but yeah I was going to say I wanted to talk to you about so the stuff that will probably be in a few more weeks as we get into the nicer weather but I want to talk to you about someone like your past bear experiences I wonder what I was likely because you were doing guy stuff down on the lower Rogue River and I know in Grants Pass really a lot of time we didn’t have a lot of bear boxes are a lot of bear concerns about the wildlife that the wilderness right around the area of town there I think like if you go south into the siskiyou server into the Coastal Range there’s probably more stuff over there but it would seem to always like a lot lighter than it was further south like when he got into California I remember like when we went just a little bit used to like reading in the Mount Shasta area and like up into the whiskey lake a there was tons of bear boxes it seemed like I was like a big thing that they had to protect against all the time and it was sort of strange dude there wasn’t really that much exposure for me when I was doing a lot of camping stuff in southern oregon or in eastern oregon especially I guess eastern oregon to have much exposure with like bear encounters out there and i think it wasn’t until I got into like going through lower rogue before I even saw like the electric fences so as guys yeah yeah well what kind of stuff you had to run into when you’re checking out or like when you’re doing low road trips well yeah I mean we have plenty of bear encounters down there and I think one of the big contributors to that is just a just the amount of people that are down there all the time I mean the Bears really really know when people are around you know there’s food you know a bunch of new smells they have an incredible front of smell so you know that traffic down that really kind of brings them into the area and not Convention and I I could be a off but I’m fairly certain that the lower road canyon I know about 10 years ago was the highest black bear population in the lower 48 really yeah Wow 10 years ago yeah I malai mean think about it the road going out there to gold beach and Agnes that’s uh that’s bear camp road I mean you see bear fences over there all all over the place but uh yeah I believe for service did a study and like a flyover and found that in that Canyon there’s more bears per square mile than anywhere else in the lower 48 Wow I wouldn’t have really thought about that but yeah i do understand like they’re Bear Creek and bear camp road seems like a lot of Baron says I knew that there was a lot of bear activity in Southern Oregon in the past like if we go back a hundred years or so I think 150 years there’s a lot of talk about the bear population over and Oregon and over in this section of like the forested areas like a lot of the gold miners had to deal with them up in the up in the hills in those areas i think even like in the like what was it isn’t isn’t bear camp road part gold mine as you go up have you seen it yeah a lot of mining claims up there yeah that’s what I had seen I knew like up on Mount Baldy in Grants Pass there’s a lot of a lot of claims in that area and I heard about some bear encounters that happened up there like up by summit loop and then over further into the hills like past mount baldy kind of over in the Applegate area it’s kind of like way back stuff or like do you remember the story we heard about this in high school um I think we went to the grave site for this one time but it was like this piece of local yeah brands past history Laura we went to this so oldest grave site in Grants Pass it’s like in this little park now it’s a really strange thing but you go up and you see this tombstone and it’s from 1856 like some time before the Civil War and there’s a stume stone that says that this man bh baird died of a grizzly bear attack down by the rogue river and what would today be Rogue River Park like just a park downtown are you nuts I’ve seen that grave site yeah back in elementary school to walk over there Oslo we went over there on a field trip one time and we had to do like that you know like crayon transcripts you put the pieces of transfer paper on the team stone and do your element and then I and so we all had to make a relevant of that tombstone and but I mean it’s crazy I mean if you’re going back that distance sometime I mean at that time what 1856 organ isn’t even a state yet know a few years yeah and so you’ve got California’s the fair state and I mean Grizzlies used to be down here a pretty prominent area I mean it wasn’t until kind of like that that settling that happened was that we started kind of driving them all out I was wondering about that like how was that we was is that an extrication when when you remove an animal from its range because it seems like we don’t we don’t even talk about grizzly bears in Southern Oregon Oregon at all right they’re not even acknowledge and so that’s the thing is I believe it wasn’t well I know it was an Ashland but i think around the it was like in the early 1900s and I don’t know the year for sure but um the last grizzly was taken out of that area oh wow yeah it was actually roaming around up in the hills and we’ve had some major confrontation with people in the area yeah that’s that seems like it would be a huge issue I guess all those people moved in and what I mean like seven or eight and why like what every town in Oregon was a new town in like 18 50 so now should I wrong yeah you just have to think like how many generations is that that’s the animals and the wildlife it’s used to like go into that area to feed or to you know get access to the river whatever it is like whatever their their natural range is like how long it takes before those conflicts with people push them out or kind of just where those animals get eliminated because of the people in the area yeah i mean it’s it’s pretty mind-boggling when you think about it it really doesn’t take that much time I mean between 1858 and you know 1900 we had eradicated pretty much all the while good legs in the air I think I think you’re like nuisance animals like that you almost have to I mean or it seems like at the time you would have you would have had to in that frontiers mindset my goodness man if I moved out here from the east coast and I just had to be put plopped down in the mountains of the Southern Oregon fighting off grizzly bears coming through town eating the guy in the park downtown yeah I know a conservation well and that’s that’s the thing too is back then you know everything was just a you know as far as they were concerned just an infinite resource it wasn’t like we’re running out of anything yeah the whole the whole less was fairly untouched you know I mean I’m sure back then other than native peoples Lois honey as I just I just think of like current day ash lenders and you know the people say the same people that had a city council meeting about aggressive deer in the area you know stealing dealing with grizzly bears in the 99 oh my god no did they do that aggressive dear yeah yeah they’re having a big problem with your kind of taking over the city had a city council meeting about how they’re gonna acknowledge this year because they kind of just lost their people became very tame oh wow and uh yeah so this was just like a year ago yeah no I mean I mean I always see start for the last few years definitely as he do you’re just kind of cruising true if big members in that Ashland Lithia Park there you just feel like time I was just hanging out with everybody but even that seems to be even like it is in Grants Pass I remember I swear back in two thousand 2003-2004 I didn’t see deer at all in the neighborhood that I grew up in like over and blow it was a recession so they were where they were now drawn back during that time oh yeah yeah yeah earlier financially unstable but no before that like in and I talked to my grandpa about this too he you know he’s lived here all of his life and you talked about yeah like we really never saw a deer come through the yard until the year 2000 for like that’s here they had to put up like a high fence around the garden to keep it safe and he said yeah we just never had a problem with it before we had like one or you come through that it was never any big groups that they had like now I guess they were saying that like the population in town it just exploded over the last two decades and see I was wondering what that is because that could be that could be you know dear moving down to populated areas for for lack of predators you know you’re never typically going to see a lion in the area i mean there’s occasional sightings but i wonder if they kind of come into these rural areas and these kind of urban settings to kind of escape that find gardens that are out about but i don’t know what you know 2004 you know that what I’m very would have how that would have correlated you know it’s interesting I guess now was the time that there was probably the most new development in that region that they had been in a long time so I bet it probably pushed out a disturbed some of the area that that pot of animals lived and it probably got pushed over another mountain range to where we are but it seems interesting you know if you stay in an area for long enough you notice about some of the animals it’s the kind of traffic your back yard out there but you notice that they’re kind of on a schedule like it seems like they think wander around they have a range they kind of travel through but it seems like that animal comes back around through the yard or something in the same way every day every couple days we see that with a family like a group of of like dough that would go through my parents yard oh no they just come true like every morning at ten a.m. and they just kind of cruise across the street and they go on their way and I don’t know they make like some kind of loop back through some sometimes but it’s kind of funny sweet others yeah just kind of stuff in it and that’s how it is to just like they they have they’ve lost that kind of instinctive fear of people in this area you know we’re not we’re not an immediate threat to them in the inner-city settings you know same with turkeys you see him in your backyard all the time oh yeah or are you driving down the road yeah I mean yes oh yes oh tell me about those tricky yeah the other day I was driving through downtown Medford which is you know very populated and I had to stop for a crossing of turkey and and I mean traffic just came to a complete halt and we all just SAT there and let these turkeys cross for about a minute and a half Wow and then and everybody went about their day how big was the group that what would you call that gaggle I was winning it’s like a gaggle of geese murder acquires flock of seagulls birds of a feather yeah you know I don’t know all these the avian types they all have their own kind of segregated names they realize they need all those different words to describe being in a group I know so that will they do again but but uh good how many are in a group that I mean I’ve seen that maybe like 20 or 30 or seven agree I would say this was about 20 I mean it was a good size well you know yeah yeah yeah I’ve seen like little geese it’s kind of funny I like you know well they’re really little they stay together like what is it I guess not like I was thinking that Partridge Family be like quail right like quail like yeah groups a quail those families like all stick together you feel like pods of those that are around like 12 or 15 sighs it’s kind of funny oh he’ll move around well you know honey we’re talking about the way animals moving it out of areas yeah where I’m at now my grandparents lived out here and I used to come out this area all the time there’s a kid and they’re used to we used to see tons of quail up on the driveway coming into our place oh well but with the development of people kind of moving into the area and this place is I would save blown up but if there’s definitely an influx of people living out here now right and with that has come some cats you know domestic house cats that people are brought and kind of left run wild and then they birth feral cats and at this point now I haven’t seen a quail out here in probably 10 years really wow yeah that’s interesting how that changes you know I’ve seen like that kind of move around too i remember when i was a kid this seems like a silly thing notice but you probably believe me that I did notice it when I was a kid in the 90s and maybe up to like 2001-2002 there was every evening in the summertime just just stream is murder of crows this huge group of crows that would move south at like sunset like every night it would seem like they would come out from from like some section kind of down by the river or like really like a mile or two south or something like that and they’d come up that that kind of draw around like hamilton road or something like that and they cruise up but they go right over our house over my grandparents house every night and it seemed like they had been doing that for years I talked to my grandparents about it they said yeah we’ve been watched and do it for decades now as we sit out here in the in the evening and water the garden and then for maybe the last 8 10 8 9 years maybe 10 years they’re not there anymore not like they used to be it also sweet other I mean they might have just moved over you know our boxes for whatever reason but ya know why I mean like that yeah for having time it’s like an air quality they might be like that it must be new houses in new places maybe they got disturbed out of you know wherever they would they would go to whatever place it was no trees well yeah I mean the housing developments really blown up in this area and I think that I mean there’s there’s no denying that that’s going to have some kind of effect on wild wild animals in the area you know the one that my grandpa pointed out was a fox I don’t know what ya ecstasy but he said they like when he was a kid and all the way up through through him growing up and being out here he had never seen a fox out in that area leg out over on clover lawn and he said like you thought one maybe six or seven years ago he was like wow that’s like the first Fox like that we’ve ever seen out here it’s weird you guys see Fox is that you know I’ve seen you know not out here and I think the fire because we have dogs we’ve got dogs in the area which I think kind of keep a lot of probably Fox out of the area also they send them but yeah I’ve seen a couple of Fox down near the Applegate and then another thing is we have coyotes that show up I was kidding my often do you see coyotes past you that area much not not frequently but there has been ok so when we first got Leila are a little Australian Shepherd right yeah and she was just a puppy that she would bark and there was this there’s this little pack of coyotes that was up the hill from us and they were it was a little spooky but a little cool at the same time they would have one and I watched this they had one coyote sit up the hill and respond to her barking whoo heard about this yeah she would bark and if it would bark back to her almost kind of enticing her to kind of go up the hill hey come hang out do you one of us yeah one of his way I hey we’re just we’re some dogs up here and what I mean he’s about the size of a coyote yeah so you know she’s gonna get up there and they’re gonna be plenty of them haha she’s got to be in trouble yeah do they go for dogs is that what they do or they like because they’re not their owner or how’s that work yeah so you kind of got to worry about that situation you know there’s a pack of 20 and they’re obviously going to take advantage of a domesticated animal and a lot of times in urban settings you’ll see kind of the way coyotes and other different predators will actually prey on these domestic animals because they’re so familiar with humans and is kind of in a sense lost their natural instinct to find fear from using them Oh interesting huh you know I did a story about I think maybe kind of similar to the dynamic you were talking about how there was a pot of coyotes there’s one that came out and it was kind of calling out to her enticing the dog at this guys house and it’s like I don’t know they had like a dog conversation and this coyote kind of convinced the bad attitude out of this masticated dogs like there’s chickens and the property and so this coyote kind of like talked to him for a couple days like the kind of saw might get a little closer a little friendlier with each other it’s like different dogs and then a couple days into it the house dog like attacked a chicken I think like the coyote got into and they both like got chickens and then like took off and hung out together and like killed the chickens yeah big like oh that’s the next thing like this guy coyote this other wild dog came in and then like taht like a new kind of behavior to a domesticated dogs and they like you know got away with a bunch of livestock it’s crazy that’s funny it’s just like yeah invoking that that natural predatorial sense in a house dog yeah Mike okay following with the pack or something but yeah I was like yeah kinda like hey come here and compete with that for what we’re crazy wild dog yeah you said it too it is actually real fascinate cut some of the Bears stuff that we were talking about so like even in your backyard there where we’re talking about the Coyotes you’ve seen bears out there right don’t you guys have one out there like even right now or not right now but like with it out last year don’t you see ya when I kind of rome’s that area oh yeah yeah I do like so I’m out uh he’s a pain man so basically I don’t have a trash service out here so yeah I movie people of our our trash yeah all of our trash in cans that you know once a month or so I’ll take it down to the landfill and pay your fee and take care of that but what the problem with that is is these bears with incredible sense of smell smell all of your waist and they want to come in because they’re curious animals I major rain they want to get a little little taste of what you’ve been cooking in the kitchen and so it’s great you know you’ll go to work and then you come home if you’ll just find like three trash cans dumped over and you know three trash cans worth of garbage just spread around your property okay you so you get to spend the next couple hours sitting outside just taking up trash that you already so carefully placed into a garbage bag we as before that’d be so frustrating so what you guys have to keep it inside or something or is there like it what do you do well so this past spring I got really set up with it I actually built a little like a 10 by 12 shit oh that’s ass man yeah yeah and yeah so now I keep all the cans in there under lock so I yeah and that’s that’s honestly that’s cut down the prop up significantly I actually haven’t dealt with him knock on wood for about a year now but for a while there it was like every other night about three o’clock in the morning you wake up to the sound of you know trash cans get knocked over and stuff I mean for the most let’s play go ahead oh you go ahead Oh for the most part you know they’re pretty skittish you go out there and yell out of kind of charge Adam and they’ll take off but this particular bear that I was dealing with kind of got to the point where it was really standing its ground with me that’s time this doesn’t wrestlin yeah I wasn’t really a big fan of it i mean what one account that i can really sticks out in my mind it’s about three o’clock in the morning and we got a heavy snow and this is two years ago and you know the area Southern Oregon that’s not real typical of a winter friend but that he must have been hungry and you know old bears hibernate the winner lost no they just are less active in the wear but he must have been hungrier for some you know I grabbed my shotgun and run out of the yard i’m just i’m in my boxers in my boots and i run out there with just my my iphone flashlight I know about how powerful they are nothing yeah and I just and I just meet him in the yard and a lot of staying in there you know he’s about 20 feet away and I’m yelling out of the stuff and he’s just kind of like what are you gonna do yeah what are you guys yeah everything every of the day you would have done something by now that matters okay exactly man that stuff so no he stood his ground on me and if you’ve been around bears that are getting fairly aggressive they’ll kind of do like a bark it was kind of a grunt I mean doesn’t sound like a like a dog bark but it’s just kind of like a low grunt yeah and uh so I kind of make sure a snowball out of my thing and uh you know and he kind of he grunted at me and then I yelled at him again brother bear yeah you get out of your bed okay you instill bus so I was going to ask you I said of snowballs what what what would you use as a bear deterrent like did you have to bring bear deterrent with you down on the lower road to you know it’s what we died um we’re discouraged to bring firearms with us yeah I figured but I won’t name any names but son of some of us do just because these bears have been so introduced to people that they’ve really lost that instinctive fear and they’ve really kind of become quite a nuisance down their lender know that broken so some of the guides definitely not me will carry a firearm down there so outset outside of like lethal deterrent what do you think of the bear spray like the pepper spray canister you pick up you know I mean we’re not grizzly country and black bears by nature are pretty skittish I mean they don’t they don’t really want anything to do with you they just wanted to have that’s what him before too i mean like I’ve seen a black bear maybe three times and as soon as it even notice we were behind his feet around there just bolt the faster the kid it was just scrambling up the side of a hill and you think oh my god how can I climb so like that so fast so there’s a couple points on that I want to I want to answer your question but then I also kind of want to talk about people’s too oh yeah so dance here question okay yeah so to answer your question when we’re down there in the canyon a lot of times what we’ll do is you know you want to make yourself large and loud typically we’ll take our coolers full of food will stack them in a pile okay and then we’ll stack pots and pans on top of them ok and then so that way if they’re getting into them we can hear them we take everything out of the boat because we don’t want them getting in there pop in a raft or anything like that yeah but then what we’ll do is we’ll we all go to sleep with like a couple Dutch oven lids next door coughs oh really oh yeah and you got your head laying up ready so when you hear that that wrestling and the pots of hand fall and stuff you know all the guides jump up and everybody grabs the religious starts clinging them together and yell and adamant and they’ll take off yes sir the noise is enough of a deterrent and yeah and you said you had like a nuisance bear one night so like it come up and was like snapping yeah story yeah what happened with that or well that we had a we had a fill-in guide she guides for another company on the road and she was with us and this is funny too because we took this big salmon dinner nice and you know we have salmon drippings everywhere all we got Sam’s skin everything all over the camp and and so typically one of us always sleeps in the kitchen to kind of watch over everything and that was me that night and it was a lazy night I think we probably had too many beers and you know it was like I’m not going to pick this up I’m just gonna play the odds and say we’re not going to get a bear in camp tonight and so I go to San way I gotta do there yeah so I’m gonna doing that done it well yeah you have to I mean you know if you can I’ve never run into a bear I think we did it like when we were doing a backpacking trip we got to put our food into a bear safe container and then like put it hosted into a tree more than 50 meters away from my pants something like that and I think like we pulled in we set up super late and we put it out a ways but man we did not do whatever we whatever absolute thing we were supposed to do for our bear food protection well you know what I mean most of the time I mean you’re gonna see bear less times than you will oh yeah you’re going to not see bear more than you will see better yeah seems like it’s been how it is in my life I mean if we’re talking about the most bears in that area i mean i thought it was kind of like where we grew up in that area southern oregon i I’ve only seen up there a couple times in that area i mean i think i saw it i think on two of the hikes I did down the lower road I think I saw another one out in the Applegate or out you know past Applegate lake that was I California how the siskiyou sigh guess we saw a black bear out there and then maybe one other time on the road while I was driving that’s it that’s really all i’ve seen so I hardly ever see or have a black bear counter at all so you’re down there more so what’s okay so we’re back we’re camping the salmon spread across this campsite it’s nighttime Robert played the odds yeah so we turn over an ex-con ya know next thing I know I’m getting woken up not by a bear but by a dove and she’s kicking me and she’s gone wake up wake up and I got a flashlight in my face and I’m like what are you doing right now and she’s like despair just came over with sniffing my face oh man you access to America in her favor there and so she jumps up she suits the barrier runs off a few yards and she’s yelling at it I guess and uh and so she’s yelling at it throwing stuff at it and if if you’ve kind of provoked provoked a bear enough they’ll do this just kind of like jaw grinding they’ll grind their jaw wow this is this is kind of fast a little barking stage that they’ll do and that’s that’s really a situation where you kind of to be on point Wow so anyway somehow she got this bear to kind of lose immediate interest and she’s waking me up and honestly the times that I have slept through fair situations in camp are way too many wake up the next morning that they’re like oh man where we robber fainted again Roberts gonna be back in just one second we’re having trouble with hydrogen Robert come back in what you’re talking about I won’t reset it but we’re seeing like where were you last night when them or you were just coming into that how many times you slept through a bear walking through camp yeah yeah there’s been multiple times that people have you know other guides for just like where were you last night we had that bear in camp yeah must must I was just you know stop we just dropped out for a second but Robert I was going to ask you to come back with that story that we’re talking about where the bear was sniffing this girl’s head she woke up she moved to actually got your attention you woke up what happens next well at that point she had got us to leave and she was freaked out you know she wanted anybody awake with her yeah absolutely i mean i decided i wouldn’t have no man and she and she was so pissed off because i’m laying right next to the trash and all all this salmon in everything and I never got bothered and she’s sleeping on the outskirts of camp instead Robert fit so yeah anyway I left me alone but but you’re saying it started snapping did you see it snap no I it was laughing at her yeah not not necessarily snapping but doing like a jog jog right like its jaw and almost like grind its teeth weird oh and I’ve heard see that no I especially in the dark when you can’t see you yeah I feel so free hey bear yeah so yeah anyway it was it’s just one of those things you know you got to get people awake make noise do stuff but you know the problem is with with people being with with Baron high populated areas like that you know they’re losing that instinctive fear and that can second new kind of a dire situation yeah I hear like you see the signs of to say like nuisance bears will be destroyed oh yeah man that is a final sentence that’s like that’s the bureau that’s the Bureau of Land Management uh you know that’s what their signs are all down there right yeah you know I said there is a dead very as you start treating these bears and leaving food around they’re going to start showing up more and more and then as a nuisance fair they have to try to relocate if that’s not going to work than they have to exterminate that bear man that sounds so its up I just like we were talking about fever now is podcast earlier I just listened to an episode from a bear scientist so it works at Yellowstone National Park studying the bear population there okay they were talking about this big upset that happened years ago when the I think the establishments that were in Yellowstone like the restaurants and the lodges and the town is just outside of Yellowstone that were part of that ecosystem they would all have these food dumps where they would like they would just throat they would have like a pit that we put all the food that people didn’t eat in the park or whatever went bad and it would be this feeding frenzy or the feeding area for all the Bears that were in that ecosystem they all kind of worked off of this and it was just kind of like an attraction for a while where bears would come in and eat the food and so they made a decision that they were going to stop the the food drops as it were like in and then I don’t like change it wasn’t really intentional at first it was just like a dumpster or was like the you know the area that’s that the trash was going to go I think it was kind of like the trash area of Yellowstone which is kind of weird to think that there’s such a thing but I guess with all the people to go through it would be something like this and this is way back to go pay so they stopped these feeding sites and then a big part of that population of bears like died off or have other types of conflicts that happen when they was trying to seek out different places to get food that had now become more scary we’re really interesting of this conflict see that yes that’s what happens you’ve got you’ve got bear coming into this to this you know infinite food source they keep coming back to because we leave all this waste and what happens is you know not that generation but a generation or two down the road these bears are used to feeding off of our waist and then don’t really know how to fend for themselves in the wild and it’s all fun while it’s a tourist track treating them people get to snap pictures but then you’ve got these bears that are dying in the wild and also you’re getting your carwin all right we’re back now we faded out for one second with with Roberts call his skype call and fresh but we’re talking about that last little bit of how how there’s there were the bears in the Yellowstone range that had difficulties a couple generations after they’d become dependent on these food sources these food drops it’s really weird those types of conflicts happen when people enter an area that’s just been wilderness and Wildlife before it’s interesting how you know that goes for us so there’s always been types of conflicts yeah and as long as there’s people there will still continue to be that that conflict between natural wildlife and and uh yeah it’ll be interesting you know I think in future pockets we should talk about we should talk about some of the wildlife management stuff that we’ve learned about some of the ways of BLM works or efficient game or some of these other departments and how they manage some of that stuff that’s a lot of that’s a big learning curve for me I’m a pretty simple hiker yeah I give her a lot of time but I think part of it probably have this talk acid is really interesting to learn a little bit more about some of those may be more furious aspects or just more more the governance side of how wildlife and outdoor recreation management goes it’s got interesting stuff I think it’s cool to talk about it’s just fun talking about with you to school yes and I think that’d be something great to elaborate on I think that’s something that that more and more people need to understand and acknowledge the way our national parks and public lands are rough yeah I didn’t be cool to talk about some of that stuff and whether you give me a chance to learn about it a little bit more but thanks Robert thanks for doing this talk about some better stuff in the past and we have way more stories to go through maybe we need to make more stories to bat I think there’s a couple we can talk about in the future that’d be kind of fun but thanks oh yeah looking forward through it yeah I think there’s some of the some of those lower rogue encounters that are kind of cool or even like some of the stuff on an old backpack and chip that we were on say we out like a couple bear bear sightings is that one to two ago yeah we we’ve had our share of backpacking adventures not just as lower road but other places do and I’d like to talk to you more about that future as well oh yeah I want to do that too I think that’d be really cool but thanks Robert I really actually doing the stock ass with me we’re coming together we’re finally put together I guess what might be you know like a pretty consistent outdoors podcast it’s pretty sweet man i really appreciate it yeah i’m hoping it works out it’s cool man no it’s just the beginning but we got to keep doing them and i appreciate you doing it with me every week here we got to get the site gone then yeah the stream up it’s really cool and anybody that’s bother to listen to to these episodes it’s great I really appreciate you taking the time to do it yes and and you know as I think I think it’s time develops and we continue doing this more and more frequently you know we’re going to have more more pressing topics and things that uh you know very entertaining we’re going to be the most energy really Robert and I mean you probably learned this a little bit about going through the podcasting there’s not that much entertainment in some podcasts out there I mean like to kind of break through it seems like at least it with talent wise or to be entertaining we would be i think in the in the running for us so i think i think it’s cool that we’re doing a podcast about this stuff together so Robert I wanted to say thank you very much for doing this podcast with me and on behalf of Robert vez gret my name is Billy Newman and I want to say thank you guys very much for listening to this episode of the get out there podcast thank you