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Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I wanted to talk to you about something, maybe important, but do you use a VPN? I don't use a VPN, and I probably rarely do. But I'm kind of figuring out now like how many pieces of information routers pick up and your ISP picks up about your traffic. And I'm trying to finally figure out what HTTPS is good for, like HTTP exists, like what we remember in the 90s, typing that into Netscape trying to get to our first web domain. Or we have HTTPS now, which is the secure hypertext transport protocol. And I guess that encrypts the data that's transmitted across that protocol before that HTTP had just an open protocol where you could still read the contents of data that was being routed to that page. So at least, I guess with HTTPS, that data is encrypted, like your banking data is encrypted, or your payment data is encrypted, and it can't be siphoned off in some man-in-the-middle attack, I guess, apparently, or unless that didn't work that time. That's sort of how hacks always work. Oh, yeah, it's protected. But except for that thing that it didn't work for. We weren't protected by that. Okay, well, so if you are interested, I think a VPN is sort of an interesting way where you can create a virtual private network is what it stands for. Many of them are paid, and many of them seem to be free. I think the probably the best one to jump into if you're interested in something like Tor or the Tor Browser, the Tor router when they talk about that, I think it's like a virtual private network system that kind of jumps you around to different IP addresses before it finally spits it out somewhere. And what that allows you to do is sort of anonymizing the the registry information that would be tracked about your connection to the Internet. At that router, is interesting. I've been learning all sorts of stuff about all the things that attract and sort of where it logs the router information. Wild to know about but man, it's it makes you think a little bit about all the different things that you're tracked on over the internet, everywhere. Crazy stuff. It's a weird world that we're gonna live the weird world we will live in over the next 15 to 20 years like the last 15 to 20 haven't been so

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you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. But this week, I want to talk about some of the past truck travel stuff that we've done, and I think you're the guy who inspired me to get a truck at the first man I got a truck gotta have a truck. Strangely, though, most of my road trip travel has been stolen camera and the cameraman.

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But that camera was legendary.

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It was legit. It was absolutely legendary. But for today's episode we're thinking about doing was kind of breaking down a couple of the stories in the past we had about doing some overland stuff, some overland, like travel, if you can call it overland. I don't know that's like a heavy word. I think that's a modern word, right? Like this term. I've seen that around like overland where people have seen a lot of that. Yeah, it seems to be kind of the trendy sort of rich guy word to say for Whelan. I'm going Madden. Landrover Madden or four, four wheeling or something. You take that overlanding overland

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excursion?

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Oh yeah, it's always that but i think that's kind of a funny part of it. But I see like a ton of that stuff. I got into that, like, I got into that stuff back in 2011. Like the overland travel Have you ever seen like the magazine overland journal?

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Is that inactive?

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I think so. Yeah, I don't know. It's like sort of a niche. It's a niche category. Like this whole thing. So it's where it's like that thing. You'd never find it unless you looked for it. But it's kind of it's interesting. There's tons of stuff out there like that, but that's one of the first ones that I ran into. And that's like, that's when I had like the Camry and I was back in college and stuff. And you know, that's when I first really wanted to get because I couldn't get a Landrover from the 70s I really wanted to get like a roof rack and a top box. I was I was like set on that because if I could get that, that was like that was like my that was my version of making like a Camry into an overland vehicle, you know, because I'm going to get into this but I'm 20 and I've got 138 bucks, so we're going with that. Yeah. Without as a part of it so yeah I remember setting up like like setting up the car that the roof the roof top or the top box you know man those are those are like super handy like and that was great on the on the camera when I had it but that was all kind of what was yours

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you had like that that top box

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yeah it was a I forget what it is now I think there's like the excursion that I had at a time and then there was like the summit model that

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we didn't have the overland model didn't

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I missed out on both of these were like oh man they were like you know I don't know the early 90s maybe late night early mid 90s or something that's like when the plastic was produced that's when that thing was called New and now it was just sitting on my my equally old aged car gonna go around and grab those things hold their value like crazy I picked mine up both of mine I think now three of them in total I picked three of those top boxes up oh on Craigslist was for different cars and stuff I got a little fat one for the for the Camry I've had one for the truck and we got one from Marina CRV or what do you say the truck I mean the old foreigner let's get into that later too but that long one on the old foreigner so I bought like a few of them and I always bought them on us like on Craigslist or something right like yeah it's like new they're like five or 600 bucks to get into this cheap man yeah it's yeah super frustrating so even when they're used they're they're still floating in like for good ones or for like stuff from the 2000s that sort of the more modern clamping systems or you know when they actually made it they made it better you know where you can put it off take it on and off your car without putting together like a bunch of plates wing brackets made out

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to spend the whole afternoon doing yeah it's

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great because he would always like you know mess up you get stuck in some situation like that when you like I think one time we had to move we'd like it was you and I Robert and Scott and we had to like move that that that top box we're talking about to the oh yeah to the raft right and we were going on that snowboard trip so we had to like pack we had to put it on and like put like a bunch of snowboards on or something. And it was just like it was just like snow and slash and it's kind of raining you got like you don't even have a headlamp you've just got like a light kind of crimped on your shoulder and neck. As you're kind of trying to twist this wing that back and forth to make sure that this thing's tight in the right spot. It was such a pain man, it was so awful. So after that they made like more simple clamp systems that work better. But man those are like still like 300 250 like the low end range. Like the second like us. Yeah, the stuff broken. I just sold one for like, 85 that was that like a big chunk missing out of it? Oh, geez. Yeah, it's not Yeah, it's like it's a gold. At least I don't know, it seems like in Eugene May. In Southern Oregon, it was a lot harder. I think I had one and never sold. But it seemed like in Eugene and in Corvallis and Portland, or, like, you know, where that that that string of Hebrews and topsoccer Yeah, right. exists all those all those overlanders out there. Mm hmm. But that was my foray into into understanding what overlanding was because I was interested in like that overland journal and so I'd like watch or watch the stuff that was coming out in that and it was just really all stuff all equipment that was unattainable that you look at like the sweet trucks and there's so many cool like land or the length that the Toyota Land Cruisers but they Yeah, they said that they never built in America. Have you seen those? Oh, yeah, they're awesome. They're so cool. Yeah, like all the other ones that Australia got and like South Africa got those are like the coolest cars ever like

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that you see out there. Yeah, they're so great. I would love to have Yeah, just this sweet

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diesel. Left hand drive. Right hand drive. Like Yeah, Land Cruiser track. Like there's the the Toyota trooper, if anybody's listening and they Google that it's like this, this crazy track that they made for the military that Toyota made for the military. That's like a troop carrier. But it's a Land Cruiser, but it's just got like a long back end. And it's kind of squared off so you can you can fit two benches in there to load 12 guys, or whatever, whatever. psyllium is in the back, but it just looks like Oh, man, that'd be the coolest like camper. Yeah, you take that thing. It's like, so like the F j 40. c like the old ones that look like the the Willys Jeep. Have you seen that? Oh, yeah. That and that was kind of like the one of the Jeep models that they look Yeah, Toyota's Japanese right. Yeah, of course they are but I don't know where else they they sold like their equipment to for like military use. But it seemed like the F j and the Land Cruiser line is used like with them as a military vehicle all over the world. Have you seen that? Like it's the I'm not really familiar with that? No, or not like a military vehicle, but like, like, we have a jeep. And then we have a tank but we have the Jeep? Like they have they have the Toyota they have a Land Cruiser. Or like a Ilex, right, like your old truck, your old pickup truck.

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Yeah, okay. I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

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The old pickup truck. Yes.

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It was the best part about my old one. Yeah. Oh yeah. And so but it won't get rid of it. I still have.

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It's the coolest truck but I remember learning about like, Oh, it was just weird when I found out like about American nations were in america that's called a pickup. Like that's that's a pickup truck. But out of the country, the truck is called a Hi Alex. I'd seen that. Yeah, the international version. The International name for the pickup was the Toyota Hilux. And it's like, it's got that like emblem in it. Yeah. So they'd sell these Toyota pickup trucks like Saudi Arabia or like ISIS, man, like okay, so yeah, like all the ice like the footage from ISIS. That's like, why are they all in these like us Toyota's bassinet across the section of Syria, it's because the military had bought Toyota's as helixes like new ones they're like it's just like I'm sweet Tacoma or something you know it's just like rigged up to ride around out in the desert it's probably a great Chuck for it but that's

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why we should be ISIS is to get all

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we need all those sweet Toyota's back now it was a big land that was like a gag in the news for a while because like all the footage from from whatever was going on which show these people but they were like next to these like old like old pickups like yours with with a with like a gun mounted mounted in the back like

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that yeah

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but yeah you think about like all that all that crazy stuff that I think that was like the highlight stuff that Toyota was like for runners out of the country they're called serfs. Really yeah way cooler name to kind of call a foreigner. a serf I'm not gonna

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run it it's kind of redundant like I mean no matter what you have it's got

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Yeah, it's like well, I mean we expected it would it would have four wheels or it's a big truck I guess it should have four wheel drive or whatever whatever it's insinuating but but yeah, out of the country was called the surf I've seen a few of them pass by like you'd see him out there you'd be driving around and people are real proud of it especially in the overland scene or that like that backwoods see man people get real proud of their their rigs that they have set up but but we saw one that was like this diesel surf that this guy had imported I don't know what the rules are on that either. Yeah, if it's I think if the if the guy's a US citizen, I think it couldn't happen but I think if you're in Canada you can you can have you can have one registered and then drive it into the united states i think is where we see a lot of those vehicles.

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Well we need to make some buddies in Canada

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if we need that man I need I need a diesel 90s foreigner I don't know like

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commuting

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Have you seen like the Mitsubishi Delica that's another that's another sought after it yeah

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it's low in my mind here

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yeah that Miss it's a it's another kind of wasn't that wasn't built in the United States right but it's for well it's become really popular and like that van life van life culture where people you know, like I pretty much like what we were doing the Camry six years ago. But But finding it relatively decently and they get like a van. And like it's become really popular to get this Mitsubishi Delica. They made it through the 80s. It was sort of a competitor to the to the Volkswagen line of vans that were out at that time that were kind of camping focused, but it was cool. The Delica was cool, because it was a diesel van but it was four wheel drive. It was like it was timing like Mitsubishi was just making a bunch of four wheel drive stuff probably like the Colt Vista.

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That's exactly what was just kind of you don't know what to call this is you're listening to this podcast go go look it up. And that was that was your first car Billy.

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And it was the best car. It was the best. It was the best car it was the worst guy but it was really though it was the worst car

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I bet if you had that now and just put a little bit of money into it somebody Yeah, somebody would pick that up. Yeah, in the Portland area.

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I put some studded tires on that a roof right? Oh, yeah. an LED bar.

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You want to talk about led bar. CV

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Yeah, man. You remember that hatchback. If you can fit 10 people in that car. I think eight people I think I did.

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I don't think that's what they approved it for. No,

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I just where it was. I think it was seven people. It was what it was like rated for seven. Yeah, it was it was three rows of seats. Robert, in a compact soccer

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balls are driving around in 1983.

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Yeah, it was It's nuts. Yeah, there was the front two seats. The back two seats that were like bucket seats two. And then behind that there was another bench seat for three. So you had 1234567 man? Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. What a silly.

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Hey, it wasn't aesthetically great, but it was a You know economy friendly that's that's for sure

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the worst guy so not not an overland vehicle there I guess you could say and even still like man it was had like 14 inch tires yeah no clearance to get over anything What have

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you you made it You made it happen with the camera though

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I yeah I did man and I was gonna mention that too because that I had a couple experiences in the Camry you've always had a truck I guess outside of like the short time you had you had a sedan for to commute and stuff but you had like had a rig that could get some places which I always appreciated and I really noticed running into a few limitations when I was in the Camry. I wanted to talk about those It was great with the Camry because you really benefit from the gas mileage which man I would say yeah because I mean the most of a road trip in some ways like is highway miles you know you're out you got to drive from here oh yeah Wyoming so put a lot of distance in between you and where you're going yeah it man it works great having kind of a light easy car to like just bomb out to somewhere that works really well. So I appreciate some of those parts but man we ran into a few spots where we just couldn't get through and the one of the most upsetting ones to me was the sailing stones have you heard of those

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before? Is that in Utah

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it's in it's in the southwest it's it's Near Death Valley in California and the sailing stones is a really cool spot it was in Death Valley it's like it's in the park area but the park area is just so immense but it's it's all desolate almost nothing out there you know but you take this road it cuts back for a really long way and man we were on that gravel road for ever going back there you have to go it's it's the kind of deep wilderness you would almost call it but it's like deep in desolate country out there it's sort of well traveled because there's there's people kind of moving in and out of the park system. But we were traveling there in December I think you know when we were moving moving that direction like early December of 2012 I think is when we were there and when we were we were driving up just just on the gravel road as it was said it was a it was a gravel road the whole way there. And this part of it it just kind of went up a little bit of a grade you know just the hill the slope of the road just kind of went up maybe 1215 feet or so and then kind of rounded off leveled off and then kept going it seemed like almost nothing at all. But my car was knee high centering on it basically like you could feel like did you feel like the body like start scraping because the roll off of it was like it was just it was deeper than than my car like the angle the car and the clearance I could handle I like I couldn't get there and I'd wanted to go there all my life. Oh, so frustrated. We were like two miles or so it was like two three miles or something like well, we didn't know that because you're like in backwoods stuff and it's like, like I'm not gonna park there and hike it or something.

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Yeah, and then somebody else rolls up in a vehicle that can handle it. This Camry parked in the middle of the road

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there was a there was like a group of kids or like teenagers on little dirt bikes like little to hundreds and they were just like bouncing they just zoomed right past us. Like a little, a little bike. And they cruise. Right. It was nothing but yeah, it's it was not it was you would it would be totally everything could get over that except for my cars. Except the camera. So yeah, no overland that day is what it is what it was, but that story really is what ended up inspiring me to sell that Camry that winter. And then like come back in and get a foreigner like when I got that that 89 foreigner that I

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thought was good. That was a good truck. I liked that route

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is a good track. I bet it was a better truck earlier but man it was a great truck for me. And I really had a great time doing stuff with it was super fun. Like Yeah, and do more camping stuff. And that was really cool. But that that was the first time that I had like that truck clearance you know?

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Yeah, it means just like a whole new world of opportunities opened up to you when you when you have that clearance. It's like okay, and you got four wheel drive so you can get a little more daring with where you're going. And even with that though, I found that now with my current truck, I don't have the winch on it yet. And and even that kind of dictates to what I will and will not do up in the hills. Especially if there's not another rig with me. Sure. Yeah. I really enjoyed having that. That kind of that Lifeline and that security, I guess and having that winch that I can get out of trouble if I really got myself into it.

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I think that's pretty interesting. Yeah, I've never had I have had a rig with a winch on it. But I really liked it. The you always did. It was cool. I don't think we've ever used it together

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when we were out. I've used it on Tyler.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. Pull him out of that sandbank. Is that what it was?

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Yeah. I used it on a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah you just get into a rough spot you got a tree or something you can tether off of and get yourself out

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of it but i think that's pretty cool I remember you telling me a little bit about that in the past and it seems like it'd be pretty necessary if you wanted to do something more serious or more long term if you're doing like an overland trip or if you're doing some subtraction four by four stuff

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oh that's a big like you know off road or it's you know but it's well I mean off road in the sense of like let's go mud and rock climbing right yeah not I'm not that but I do like to get into places where typically the you know the road kind of ends or you know, somebody hasn't been back then 30 years and there's still roadway going I think it's really cool floor

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yeah I really like that part of it I really like getting to those different areas and any you really get to get through so much more land you know that way it's I found it to be really cool.

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You do especially Oregon in the wintertime you know this area gets so much rain and stuff. It's hard to like you know when you after the winter you get to the end of the road you know, back back this is I don't want to beg begging I want to stay in the rig as long as I can.

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Yeah, yeah it's it's definitely it's a huge part of it for me too and I care about Well yeah, you should tell me about Tell me about your pickup truck your first one that you got in high school did you that was like an ad with a straight axle right?

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It was a 1980s straight axle Toyota four by four long bed and that was a great truck it still has a great track it's currently sitting under a canopy right now it hasn't run in three or four years but no, I love that truck man I drove that from the time I was 15 years until four years ago

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yeah I mean that was a blast i was i was the coolest drug

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yeah no I have always loved that truck and that truck would go anywhere I mean the really the only reason I got out of it was just I needed something more reliable yeah fact it's last trip was the trip that amber and I took down to Joshua Tree and I put like you know 4000 miles on it

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No way I remember that trip that was yeah that was pretty cool man.

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Yeah and so that was a great trip take it out on the harsh reality was you know at the time gas in California was around $5 a gallon is yeah insane I was getting about 12 miles to the gallon and you know that was rough you know it didn't have AC you know that's just little stuff like people didn't get along with that forever but

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now it makes me different so I've learned a little bit too I mean like like what we both learned a little bit in this last year like having a newer truck it just solves a lot of those stresses about transportation man

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well it does and that's the thing is when you're committing to a trip like that you need to know that rigs gonna be reliable it's been a huge part you need to know it's gonna start back up when you're ready to go yeah 2000 miles away from home

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kill the battery i

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gotta tell my truck or so yeah and the battery is not the proper oh no yeah like it's just like oh you know yeah my transmission went out or like you know I blew a head gasket or something you know, I mean that truck when I took it it had over 400,000 miles on it and and so you're just going wow, this is fun but really I just need to make sure I get it home. Yeah, you know that that's what it came down to. Yeah, I

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feel like sometimes it's like driving a classic car around doesn't run as well it's maybe basil

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Yeah, yeah so yeah, and then I got out from that and I bought myself a little 93 I guess it was that's our five Toyota v six pickup with little extended cab I liked having the extra room that was a great little pickup to have that nice canopy with the roof racks on it I really enjoyed that. Yeah, I like that canopy sad to see it go Yeah, it

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was too bad. It's too soon you know, but too soon but I understand to think that Daddy's gonna move on or you know it's good he use it you can see it

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around town every now and then. Nice. Yeah but yeah and so since I've gotten into a full size truck which I I just wonder why I didn't do so much earlier.

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Oh yeah.

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You know it's just just having the room the reliability you know, just all the difference in the world.

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Yeah, I think so too. I was in your track like we were on when we were on that last Japanese podcast out of it yeah super clean like I dig been in there it's cool.

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Yeah, it's a it's far more comfortable than it used to be, you know, cramming into the little single cab and yeah, manual transmission, and trying to You know

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I remember that first trip we did in your in your old trailer your your yeah cap when we were what 16 are we going to camp up at Union Creek? Yeah What is like what is that? I've been I guess it's Central Oregon I don't know what do you call that?

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I don't know what you would call that it's

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a Crater Lake Area yeah it's not really central National Forest

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almost right yeah

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it's row River National Forest because it's the rug that runs through that is yeah yeah I think yeah, it's that that area up there man that was such a cool trip and I had a great time but man like you're saying that we just there was like the three of us right?

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Yeah just packed in tight Yeah. And

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I was the one that had a ride bitch in the center. You throw in the third gear then was it four years? Three years?

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Yeah, it was four I ended up putting a five speed transmission I remember that at the end Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was just that for speed you know you get it out. It was great in town stuff then he gets onto the freeway and you're just tapped out at like 65 and just you know semis are trying to pass you

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is not built to go that fast I guess Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that was a sweet track though. Man I really had a good time in that but I remember that back in high school it was fun like making that road trip up to go camping thrown everything in the back and everybody's just crammed crammed into the bench seat. Now used to work I guess it's a little more luxurious now with the with the space I suppose.

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You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo wanted to talk today about some stuff that I've been doing this last week for the last few weeks I've been talking about some outdoor stuff and some things kind of related to the the lockdown pandemic stuff but I kind of change change what I was talking about a little bit for this podcast but I wanted to get into was some of the training stuff I've been looking into around Logic Pro 10.5 that has just come out recently and I thought it'd be kind of kind of cool to go over a little bit of an overview of some of the new features and stuff that are there and some of the stuff that you can do with a digital audio workstation and and why why bother talking about it but I think it was about about a year ago or so. I was talking about setting up the studio in the house that I met here and how I was getting the PC computer ready to go is an older one. I think like something from some desktop I had around from from 2010 or 11 or so. Yeah, yeah, by that time. And I remember getting that computer set up with a I think it was like Windows 10 on it. And then I was using I think the same audio interface USB out into the computer and then I had downloaded I had downloaded sonar, the new version of sonar that you can get for free. I think it had been owned by both cakewalk sonar. And then I think Gibson had bought out cakewalk. And so it became Gibson sonar, and then I think Gibson decided that wasn't going to be part of their business anymore. So I think they just kind of shut it down, essentially, but then sold that off to band lab comm band labs, I think my Internet's another internet company they have kind of a simplified digital audio workstation app that you can use to kind of create a demo or something like that but what they've done is they've gone through I guess and had purchased probably for a relatively inexpensive price or I don't know I assume since they're just they're just keeping it and kind of partly maintaining or going to doing a bit to maintain it. But they took the the sonar Platinum program the full digital audio workstation, multi tracking tool, and they made it free for people to use and for people to get but I think it's only a Windows only program so you got to have got windows 10 to to run it. So I did that. Yeah, and and Sona was a program that I'd worked with before for doing some some studio multitrack and stuff I think years ago probably around like 2012 2013 when I was when I was working with some friends to set up. Some studio equipment stuff was cool. We had like a big soundcraft ghost that was laid out and then we had a bunch of a bunch of channels, kind of running into that from from the microphones that we're using to track this band, and then that all went into a pretty old computer was amazing what it could do, you know, for just a, you know, it's probably like a two gigabyte of RAM, you know, smaller hard drive 2004 or five, six era PC computer, probably would even be that much, right. Something about that time, but that's what we use. Yeah, that's like all we had all we had with us, we had a, I think it was like a PreSonus audio interface. And then we got like, like an eight channel audio interface. That was really cool. You know, we had like eight digital audio channels coming into the interface, which means we could track the live channels into sonar at a time. And it didn't even pick up, you know, even on that old machine. And so it was interesting how that that architecture work to do some editing stuff, but sonar is what I had been using before. For some stuff, really audition, Adobe Audition is what I'd use most for some of this kind of more simple radio broadcast style stuff. And that's what I had learned to use when I was at when I was at a radio station, doing an internship years and years ago, back in 2008, right, Summer 2008, they did that. And they use the Adobe Audition version 1.52 to do all their radio production edits. And yeah, I remember, I remember going in taking calls with the production guy, or somebody calling him to do like a,

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I think they would do like a water level report is really interesting radio station, now you can figure that they would have like this, suddenly, you know, it's it's 1245. And here's your local water level report for July 28, or something. And then it would be some lady that would call in from a department that would measure this stuff, and she would give her water report and the production guy, you'd record it, and then produce that and then it'd be prepped to go out on air later. You know, it's like a spot that a DJ would trigger upstairs. And so we kind of walk through using audition to do those steps. And so learning that as a program was probably the first one that I'd done. We should prior probably goes back to high school before that when I was doing editing stuff but but sonar, back to sonar was some of the stuff that I've used. Probably a good bit more for the for the music, you know, like trying to like track a band or do like multi tracking projects. But so yeah, that's what it used to be. That's why I thrown on this windows 10 PC to do some audio production stuff for this podcast workflow that I was trying to get into. And it's cool, it works really well. But But I stopped using that computer A while ago, I think the the the windows 10 computer that I'm talking about had a power supply go bad, which could be replaced pretty easily and is on a to do list of mine. But since then I've really just been relying on kind of like I'd mentioned, just recording recording onto the device. And then using Adobe Audition to do the post production work on my Mac Book, which is kind of interesting. It's just a more, it's just a better workflow and stuff for the for the most part. So I've been kind of sticking with that. But recently to get to the point, as you are all excited. Logic Pro 10.5 has come out no logic, as yet to be mentioned in this podcast Logic Pro is the program that was produced by Apple as their professional digital audio workstation. And so there's GarageBand, which probably a lot of people have some experience with. And GarageBand is sort of the trimmed down simplified home user version of a program like, like Logic Pro, and they've done that intentionally, I think it's the same team that generates the two programs. And if you if you look at them, or you look at their interfaces, and you look at their the types of access, you have to things, you really do see a familiar similarity to it. Which is cool. So if you've used something like GarageBand in the past for home projects, you won't really have as big of a difficulty moving into a more professional digital audio workstation environment, like Logic Pro 10. So I think it was Logic Pro 10 just you know, 10, zero, came out wine or product 2013 or so I think that was that was sold for 200 bucks. So it was like a purchase price of 199. And then since then you get the point updates for free, or you know, as included with your original purchase. So just recently, I think they've been like 10.4 before this. And then now they've moved on to 10.5. And 10.5, I think is probably the biggest, as noted by plenty of new sources. As noted as as one of the most significant feature updates that logic has had probably in years and years. I mean, I think this is the first time that they've gone through and removed and updated some of those legacy items that have been in there since 2003 or four or five, you know, it was just some of these legacy products that were there. Were originally put in there as including their interfaces to it looks like a 2002 interface for for like there's these synthesizer interfaces where these these weird knobs that you have to do these weird just rotating features of the interface it looks like it looks ridiculous I don't know other any other way to explain it it's a it's pretty wild for some of the some of the stuff that's just remained in computer computer systems for a long time but for 10.5 to try to go through an update a lot of that stuff and it's really interesting there's a lot of cool new features in logic 10.5 so logic is real similar to sonar which is I guess kind of why I mentioned it at least through my experiences similar you guys are probably think it's similar to I know what people that are listening probably actually some well no one's listening What am I saying if someone were to bother to try to find some information out about logic and they ended up listening to this podcast they probably have had some information about it or they would be coming from from an experience with avonds Pro Tools and Pro Tools is like the industry standard for multitrack and DAW software and I've never used it I've never opened Pro Tools I've never seen Pro Tools you know in in this process at all

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i don't know i did a couple videos or something but yeah I have no I have no experience working in Pro Tools and i don't know i'm not a fan of avid software overall you know for Pro Tools or for or for the avid system of video editing stuff either I've just i'm not i'm not really that interested in that kind of stuff that they put together really for price and stuff too It just seems kind of kind of over over done a little bit so so I'm pretty happy with with some of the other the other more available tools that are in the consumer computer market I mean I think it's like 800 bucks or something still to get to get abbotts Pro Tools and I think that in the past that was you know insanely more than that even with you know kind of proprietary back in the past it was more difficult now I think m audio is a partner with Pro Tools and so in the past if you had Pro Tools, you have a lot of proprietary Pro Tools, audio interfaces that you had to use if you wanted to set up your studio to work seamlessly with the Pro Tools software now I think they've made a deal with M audio which is a sort of like a less expensive audio interface manufacturer they've had like interfaces and microphones and you know they got like an array of I think they've got like some studio monitors they've got some interfaces they've got like keyboards is a big one that they've got I've got a keyboard over here from them audio and what did it yeah Mr. Yeah, they're less expensive they make Pro Tools interfaces which is cool now so they've got a partnership with Pro Tools and I think that they've been trying to make that more accessible to musicians probably because it's become a more competitive market with really with like logic Logic Pro i think i think the industry standard stuff is I mean it always seems like more secure that it should be it doesn't it doesn't seem like an absolute that Pro Tools should be the digital audio workstation of engineers across the world but for whatever reason it's just kind of taken over and and as those people you know are still still in those positions. I think that's that's just what's taught in audio recording school is like a standard even though there's a lot of other good other good services and choices out there. I think I've seen sonar and logic taught a lot too so I don't know they're they're definitely competitive and as I've been hearing more this there's there's produced music producers that are coming out saying oh yeah, I do a lot of a lot of my work and in logic and there's you know, there's a whole class of music producers that are logic based producers or sonar based producers or I seems to kind of rotate around every couple of years for for who's doing water, you know, who wants to look cool. people that use Pro Tools one of the cool probably a lot of them so back to back to old Logic Pro 10.5 here's the good stuff. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo calm, few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end