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Title: Billy Newman Photo Podcast Episode 296: DIY Photo Board Art Projects | Why Big Prints Sell Better

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<v Billy Newman>Welcome to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast. Commercial, landscape, and outdoor photography techniques, gear retrospectives, and field tutorials from the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Billy Newman>over november i think it was the other one and then i've sort of been on hiatus from working on

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<v Billy Newman>the boards or you know like so i have this project i've done it for i don't know i guess when i

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<v Billy Newman>started it was like five years ago i haven't done it all the time but when i've i think it was like

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<v Billy Newman>senior year of college i remember you remember this but i had like this uh this little press

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<v Billy Newman>board i wanted like an art project i could do for almost no money and so i got like i went to

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<v Billy Newman>the dollar store i got a little press board i put it up on my wall and i decided that i'd like go

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<v Billy Newman>out and take cool photos or interesting photos or whatever photos i ended up getting that i

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<v Billy Newman>thought were cool i would go down and i'd get printed as just like a four by six that was real

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<v Billy Newman>cheap and then i put it up on this photo board and then over the course of three months uh or like

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<v Billy Newman>the season like you know fall winter spring summer over the course of each season i'd fill up the whole

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<v Billy Newman>board which would be about 50 pictures or so and then i'd uh like have kind of a an art piece or you

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<v Billy Newman>know like a whole wall art piece done by the end of that and it was cool too because it kind of made

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<v Billy Newman>me sort of want to go out and get more pictures and stuff and so i did it like during senior year

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<v Billy Newman>i did it after like our trip or you i think you helped me a huge amount with uh after our first

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<v Billy Newman>trip we put together a photo board and stuff and then i've been trying to do it now since we've lived

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<v Billy Newman>in this house too so i've done a couple like when we first moved in in the past and then a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>these over this year which was like i think almost all film pictures it was all the stuff from the

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<v Billy Newman>summer a little camping trips we did a little festival stuff that we went to um and then just

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<v Billy Newman>other personal photos probably all the same stuff that everybody can see on the on the blog like on

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<v Billy Newman>the website all those new photos that i that i put out it's pretty much just that list that gets

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<v Billy Newman>printed out and then transferred up onto a physical artifact that goes up onto my board and so like

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<v Billy Newman>took all the photos off and then we'll edit through all the hawaii stuff tonight and over the next

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<v Billy Newman>couple days and make some cool pieces out of it and then whatever we're excited about we can go down

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<v Billy Newman>and get like printed at costco if we want to put an order there or better like we've been talking

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<v Billy Newman>about we should get this printer going right yeah i'm a halfway through the process of setting up our

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<v Billy Newman>temporary print station yeah it's gonna be cool that desk over there i want to rejuvenate it yeah

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<v Billy Newman>like we've been talking about so we have a couple iterations of the idea to go through but yeah we're

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<v Billy Newman>going to grab a desk from the other room and we're going to throw it in here put the printer up on top

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<v Billy Newman>of it we're going to network the printer so we can kind of all access it or we can both access it

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<v Billy Newman>and then uh and yeah we we have a new order of ink coming in and then we'll get a couple new sets

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<v Billy Newman>of paper so we have a couple better collections like if we want to do glossy or matte or if we

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<v Billy Newman>want to do four by sixes five by sevens eight by tens or 13 by 19s we can just drop in whatever we

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<v Billy Newman>want to and then make out our own art in the house and hopefully it's going to be calibrated because

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<v Billy Newman>like we've had a couple problems so i say hopefully it'll be calibrated ink but we've had a couple

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<v Billy Newman>problems in the past because we get this cheaper ink um that doesn't come out with the correct gamut

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<v Billy Newman>sometimes yeah so it's like it it just gets like these weird muddy colors when it's supposed to look

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<v Billy Newman>like a photo the ink colors the pigments they mix together and they just turn into this kind of grayish

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<v Billy Newman>color where it didn't really ever send out any ink where it was supposed to in that spot and it just

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<v Billy Newman>makes these kind of funky photos i think for a while it was like black the color black would just

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<v Billy Newman>not appear it appear in this weird red gray color yeah so that's what that was what makes a great

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<v Billy Newman>print is all your blacks looking like red grays so i don't know hopefully we can uh we can sort that

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<v Billy Newman>out but yeah i think it's just swapping the ink out for better stuff right so we'll get better stuff

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<v Billy Newman>we'll get some new stuff we'll try and calibrate it a couple times and uh that'll be fun though

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<v Billy Newman>it'll be cool to try and get the printer going because we have all these yeah we have all these

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<v Billy Newman>frames going yes we do so we should fill those frames gotta fill them up with cool maui photos

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<v Billy Newman>yeah i want to get uh i want to get really familiar with this printer over the next week or so and get

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<v Billy Newman>yeah in good shape we should get into uh because i think there's some things we can do yeah i think

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<v Billy Newman>there's some things we can do to set it better yeah we use this printer a lot i've done a ton of prints

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<v Billy Newman>with it over over the last while and it works nicely to do at home you know i think it's cool

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<v Billy Newman>i think so um and i think it'll be great yeah i set up over there with uh with stocked ink and um

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<v Billy Newman>like nice nice paper variety of papers nice paper that's gonna be a big a big thing for us that'll

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<v Billy Newman>be really cool i'll be fine i think we can do better than like a lot of the print shops and stuff

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<v Billy Newman>around here but it was weird though i was looking at maybe this is the bad ink that i'm using but it

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<v Billy Newman>like fades over a couple years oh i was noticing that too and a lot of sun fade i was looking at

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<v Billy Newman>those pictures when i flipped through yesterday so strange yeah i took all the photos down from

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<v Billy Newman>the board and then i put them into this photo album that i have a four by sixes of all the other boards

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<v Billy Newman>that had uh you know that had been up in the past and i was looking at those pictures though and

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<v Billy Newman>there's a few spots like where where half the photo was exposed fully and then part of another

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<v Billy Newman>photograph kind of covered up a quarter of it you know and then so when you have the picture now

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<v Billy Newman>there's been this half that's been exposed heavily to the sun but then this other little section

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<v Billy Newman>that's been protected for a long time like when you're a kid and a sticker would peel off your toy

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<v Billy Newman>and you'd see like all the bright color that used to be part of the toy underneath the sticker because

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<v Billy Newman>it hadn't been damaged by the sun yet i remember seeing that before i had this little truck and

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<v Billy Newman>like the sticker came off and it was like oh well this used to be like red i thought this was a brown

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<v Billy Newman>truck this whole time because it was just this beat sort of ugly brown color but it's like this

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<v Billy Newman>old bright maroon color under that little sticker so same kind of thing with these pictures it's

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<v Billy Newman>been beaten by the 18 minutes of bright sunshine it would get yeah at dawn through the through the

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<v Billy Newman>living room window it'd get beat with that sun for a few minutes and then it's just sort of

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<v Billy Newman>flattened out a lot of the colors there and it's it's washed them really bad it's really yeah it's

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<v Billy Newman>really strange how that is so i don't know so we should look at that for like the future stuff that

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<v Billy Newman>we do because we'll try and get like nice stuff that's like archivable or that'll hold for a while

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<v Billy Newman>but what i hear though overall about a lot of prints is that they just fade stuff that you print at home

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<v Billy Newman>if it's not like well sealed or well protected after you do it it

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<v Billy Newman>want to try because i feel like i feel like this is a good size or this uh this photo of you and

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<v Billy Newman>the tetons uh up by the tree um i feel like that's a good size for a house but i feel like if it's

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<v Billy Newman>showing in a gallery it's a little small yeah um i think the next size up is just the size that

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<v Billy Newman>it should be yeah it should be like a like a big screen tv yeah it's kind of what i'm yeah it's

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<v Billy Newman>hard to describe but like it kind of it looks like it's supposed to be that size yeah exactly

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<v Billy Newman>yeah i understand what you're saying i want i want these especially to be like a series for the

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<v Billy Newman>gallery uh to be really big or to really kind of have a lot of space to them i want to try and give

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<v Billy Newman>all these pictures a lot of uh like width you know just so that they seem i think that's part of the

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<v Billy Newman>game yeah i think that's part of why well i guess it just costs a little more so you would

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<v Billy Newman>sell it for more anyway it's high value but i think that it being bigger just makes it seem

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<v Billy Newman>more valuable also more expensive and so people won't bat an eye to the idea that it might be three

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<v Billy Newman>hundred dollars for this large really nice art photograph of this landscape yeah it's on a

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<v Billy Newman>canvas print yeah yeah that'd be cool i think that that's really the case because i think that you

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<v Billy Newman>have to i think you have to mark your stuff as two or three hundred dollars to even be thought about

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<v Billy Newman>yes like no one wants your 70 dollar print no one wants your 40 dollar print that's really they do

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<v Billy Newman>but they're like two or three people everyone else who's going to spend real money on it is going to

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<v Billy Newman>spend it on something that's bigger yeah they're going to spend something that's bigger so that's

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<v Billy Newman>better made yeah and of something nicer and i think that just we have to attribute like

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<v Billy Newman>how nice it is or that it is a good a good talented expression of a photo you know we have

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<v Billy Newman>to charge for like what we did um so it'll be good we should try and do it this year i want to try

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<v Billy Newman>and do one this week with you we should you should help me pick out like a picture that i

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<v Billy Newman>should try and do i think i have a couple in mind for the past that were sort of on the list but

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<v Billy Newman>but yeah we should try and pick one out yeah that would be cool i think you're i think last

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<v Billy Newman>time we were talking about it you're thinking about one of those uh photos of from blossom bar yeah

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<v Billy Newman>there's a blossom bar photo from the rogue river that'd be great i really want to get that one

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<v Billy Newman>printed that's probably going to happen right away there's a photo of like a wheat field in early

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<v Billy Newman>october that was out in the cascade range um it's really cool meadow in the morning with these like

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<v Billy Newman>cool morning clouds um i want to get that one printed out i think that's on my list there's another

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<v Billy Newman>one um years ago back in 2012 when we were on our trip uh in the sierra nevadas there's this

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<v Billy Newman>great oh right i know which one you're talking about all right i know that's the one i think

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<v Billy Newman>that oh yeah that'd be great there's one from the wallowas that would be great there's a couple

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<v Billy Newman>from the wallowas that we should get printed up i know you have a couple that would be cool

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<v Billy Newman>yeah and big canvas too talking about prints that we want to make makes me think about new photos that

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<v Billy Newman>i want to make so i can make more prints also yeah like i was just thinking i want to go

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<v Billy Newman>back to the uh wallowas with you soon get some more photos out there we've only been to a couple

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<v Billy Newman>of the spots yeah i want to have done all of there's a lot to the wallowas mountains yeah and we live

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<v Billy Newman>here yeah there's no reason for us not to go a couple times every year yeah we really should try

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<v Billy Newman>and get over we should we should have been everywhere while we've lived in oregon i've been

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<v Billy Newman>thinking i think that'd be really cool i think the wallowas would be a great spot to go to

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<v Billy Newman>yeah probably quite a bit more often i mean like i think we were talking about that in relation to

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<v Billy Newman>like smith rock a couple days ago right but the same idea that maybe i didn't mention on the

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<v Billy Newman>podcast was you know there's a few spots that we like a lot yeah that we get photos at that are good

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<v Billy Newman>every time yeah every time so we should go they're different too we should go back you know it's not

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<v Billy Newman>the only time we should ever go there there's probably a lot of cool ways that you sort of learn

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<v Billy Newman>about it and make better stuff over time you know how that is i think so you get more oriented

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<v Billy Newman>and you get you just get used to how it exists throughout the year yeah i think it feels different

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<v Billy Newman>i think the more time we're spending there too the more time we'll feel like we have yeah so i think

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<v Billy Newman>that'll kind of uh just put us in a better mindset for like really being able to watch what's happening

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<v Billy Newman>in the photos that we want to take because we're not because it's not our only chance we're not just

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<v Billy Newman>going to be at smith rock the one time that we go this winter we're going to be a bunch of times

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<v Billy Newman>so we can pay attention to the spot that we're at not feel like we just have to move through

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<v Billy Newman>everything i think that patience part is going to be really big yeah or be a lot more fun i think

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<v Billy Newman>yeah i think so it's cool when you get to really spend time somewhere yeah i feel like i have to be

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<v Billy Newman>everywhere in the next day yeah so you just always have to feel like you got to go go go yeah i have a

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<v Billy Newman>hard time when it when it's really fast paced like that or i still get a lot of good photos i

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<v Billy Newman>feel like but i've i also notice more often that when i return from those kinds of trips that i

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<v Billy Newman>feel disappointed even if i did get photos that i want i also know that there are things that i didn't

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<v Billy Newman>get because i i just went through it all really fast yeah too fast a lot of the time it's because

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<v Billy Newman>it's circumstantially you just it's just the time that we have it's tough but that's a good reason

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<v Billy Newman>i gotta rush a lot too to give ourselves more times that we go places yeah that's what i'm

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<v Billy Newman>thinking it's going to be a big key to doing it or just just getting that position more often

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<v Billy Newman>so whether it be at smith rock or with just me with with my camera in my hand like i was talking

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<v Billy Newman>about i want to try and like bring it with me all the time i just i just took it out of my bag

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<v Billy Newman>and i put it into my ammo can so now oh that's great it doesn't i don't know does it fit

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<v Billy Newman>it's not is it with the lens that it doesn't really fit or is it too uh well it would fit fine

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<v Billy Newman>it's just i want to fit other stuff in that ammo can still oh yeah that's a chunky enough camera

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<v Billy Newman>it probably fills it up pretty well yeah i could i could kind of loosely fit some stuff i have that

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<v Billy Newman>little box i'd have to go but i'm putting it in the can i put a roll of film in there in case i run

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<v Billy Newman>out and uh i'm just gonna have that with me in the truck more often or all the time you know yeah

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<v Billy Newman>and if i want to take something i'd have it right there to shoot that's a good idea camera can yeah

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<v Billy Newman>little camera cans we should sell those hey appreciate you do another little guest spot thanks

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<v Billy Newman>for having me on billy yeah i'm glad that you're doing uh these podcasts with me more often it's been

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<v Billy Newman>i don't know if i don't know if that's even true i just heard that i guess but um but that's kind

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<v Billy Newman>of what i've been understanding and yeah it's kind of cool spotting these birds out here uh in

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<v Billy Newman>in oregon in the willamette valley it's they used to be like none of them and now they're all

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<v Billy Newman>over the place this time of year it's like a lot yeah i don't know i've talked about last year

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<v Billy Newman>and stuff too where you see like six of them swarming around up in this tree kind of like

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<v Billy Newman>bouncing each other out of these little spots on the limb where they're perched and you know

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<v Billy Newman>they kind of try and fight for dominance over who had the cool perch spot and who got to look at

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<v Billy Newman>over the field but yeah you see like a bunch of them up in the field so it's pretty cool so it's

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<v Billy Newman>kind of nice uh watching them return and watching them kind of do that cycle and stuff through the

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<v Billy Newman>area here it's been kind of fun i mean kind of getting some pictures of them a lot of the time

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<v Billy Newman>i just let the birds sort of fly around there they're real distant too you got to get real close

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<v Billy Newman>and you have to have like a incredible telephoto lens to get up on that stuff that's where like a

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<v Billy Newman>lot of avian um what was it like uh the audubon society what was his i guess the guy's name was

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<v Billy Newman>audubon he was like the guy who like first did a bunch of the drawings of birds as they kind of

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<v Billy Newman>travel across the west so they did i think it was that like what it was right like the the guy

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<v Billy Newman>i don't know the bird guy is it an ornithologist i don't know what it is the bird guy came across

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<v Billy Newman>you know in the 1800s and um they drew drew a bunch of birds put that in a book and then it was

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<v Billy Newman>like a representation of the birds of america i think they tried to do that again with like the

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<v Billy Newman>large mammals of america and that ended up being more difficult or something but the birds of

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<v Billy Newman>america thing was cool because you know they were like scaled right to the page size so you'd have

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<v Billy Newman>these really big birds that were you know scaled up to the size of big birds and they're kind of

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<v Billy Newman>intricately drawn so that a lot of their uh their species detail was represented in the photo or

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<v Billy Newman>into the drawing images that were represented of them and i think it was like one of the first like

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<v Billy Newman>sort of more comprehensive um naming systems that they did over in the new world as they got here

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<v Billy Newman>and started you know doing more or complete biological science or nomenclical i don't know

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<v Billy Newman>what it was it's kind of like that zone where it's like was that like it's it's biology you know they're

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<v Billy Newman>kind of like studying the service so that the nomenclatures that we use today for like the naming

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<v Billy Newman>conventions of how these animals are categorized and a lot of that was still pretty accurate you know it's

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<v Billy Newman>kind of adapted and molded a little bit since then but not in like a real fundamental way it's still

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<v Billy Newman>like a binomial or trinomial uh nomenclature you know you have like the i don't know like homo sapien

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<v Billy Newman>or something you know for us but it's like this these two names and stuff but it's a it's like this

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<v Billy Newman>this way of categorizing different organisms that um that you're trying to classify and i guess that's

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<v Billy Newman>some of the stuff that they did with a lot of this like bird stuff but what i was talking about is

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<v Billy Newman>they were trying to draw these birds they had to go across the country find these birds i think a lot

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<v Billy Newman>of time they shot the bird went over picked the bird up and then try to draw it again you know as it

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<v Billy Newman>as it was alive um and then but they preserved the species and then they kind of review it for

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<v Billy Newman>science right so uh i guess like a lot of the like if you go to the smithsonian like a bunch of the

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<v Billy Newman>bird uh pieces that they have in storage of the smithsonian were shot by teddy roosevelt you know

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<v Billy Newman>cool but uh it's yeah shot by teddy roosevelt for uh for studying science as he was trying to

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<v Billy Newman>review the different uh i don't know bits of bird science and stuff and it was already pretty

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<v Billy Newman>well fleshed out even by the 1850s there they had like all of the little bits that you would be

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<v Billy Newman>surprised to learn about now they had all that stuff figured out you know hundreds of years ago

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<v Billy Newman>so it's kind of a trip and you're like oh well i guess they've been kind of figuring out pretty

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<v Billy Newman>complex things for now hundreds of years it's not uh it's not just brand new it's not just yesterday

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<v Billy Newman>that they uh were trying to figure out how to accurately and uh pretty specifically categorize

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<v Billy Newman>and name things but um but yeah it was kind of cool excuse me learning about the stuff that

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<v Billy Newman>they were doing with the birds um but for doing bird photography you need like a big scope and i

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<v Billy Newman>guess that's kind of what it turned into later on right it's like you know a lot of the bird watchers

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<v Billy Newman>and stuff they have like big binoculars they have big bird watching scopes which are pretty cool it's

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<v Billy Newman>like normally the scopes you know like the simon scopes or the like the vortex scopes or the

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<v Billy Newman>loophole scopes that um that like hunters would normally use as you know it's monocular ones

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<v Billy Newman>you put it on a tripod system it's real stable and you can get in there like a telescope with one eye

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<v Billy Newman>and you can scout in zoom right up into uh into a bird or an animal that you're watching so a lot

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<v Billy Newman>of time like hunters they'll use those to scope out whatever kind of animal or game is creeping and

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<v Billy Newman>crawling around up on the other side of a mountain you know across from you uh but uh but yeah for a

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<v Billy Newman>lot of the bird watching stuff the bird watchers really just run like a few thousand feet with it

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<v Billy Newman>and that's even still kind of hard to see because you know they're pretty small animals so if you

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<v Billy Newman>really want to get up close and then make uh sort of more specific observations about their their

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<v Billy Newman>physical features and their nature you know like where locations of certain colors are certain color

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<v Billy Newman>feathers or certain uh spots i think that's sort of a fun of the uh the the bird watching uh hobby

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<v Billy Newman>that's out there of uh what people are doing you know like they're trying to identify trying to look

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<v Billy Newman>for trying to um observe and appreciate the the differentiations that they see in the species that

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<v Billy Newman>they spot so they're kind of trying to look at the different plumage or they're trying to look at

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<v Billy Newman>the different spots or colorings and then sort of like see like oh that must be like a more mature

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<v Billy Newman>one like i was talking about right like they observe the bird the certain feature of it is

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<v Billy Newman>present or not present that kind of represents it's a mature or a juvenile bird of that species so

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<v Billy Newman>there's always kind of like little bits of things that they find out and i guess like clear optics are

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<v Billy Newman>sort of one of the things that they use to do that now getting back to the photo stuff of it

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<v Billy Newman>for me to take photos of it i had to have such a and such a tight zoom lens to really get those

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<v Billy Newman>images a lot of the people that are working on um working on types of bird photos they really work

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<v Billy Newman>between like 400 millimeters and 600 millimeters and sometimes they'll even put a doubler on that

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<v Billy Newman>so that they have like that that 2x magnification that 2x doubler that they can they can clip on to

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<v Billy Newman>a 400 millimeter lens and now they've got an 800 millimeter lens and i think it cuts down a bunch

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<v Billy Newman>bunch of the light that you get to collect so let's say if you're at f4 you could put on this 2x

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<v Billy Newman>you can

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<v Billy Newman>you

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