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Title: Billy Newman Photo Podcast Episode 298: Why Black and White Reveals True Form | The Value of Archiving Old Media

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<v Billy Newman>Welcome to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast. Commercial, landscape, and outdoor photography techniques, gear retrospectives, and field tutorials from the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Billy Newman>before sunset i think that's really cool but uh so i really like working with color specifically

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<v Billy Newman>and i've never really been one to kind of think that photography is all about the lines or whatever

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<v Billy Newman>it is i think it's more than that um so i'm not uh super set on thinking that uh like black and

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<v Billy Newman>white photography is a better form or a uh i don't know like a more what have i heard before

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<v Billy Newman>that like you're just sort of fooled into thinking colors are cool because you like colors so you

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<v Billy Newman>think like colors are cool so sunsets are cool but really lines are cool that's what i hear heard

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<v Billy Newman>or hear photographers kind of try to teach sometimes and uh sure sure but we're we're

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<v Billy Newman>we're beings that are pretty organized around color so i think it's a pretty reasonable to understand

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<v Billy Newman>and see and identify with the color more than the shape or the line and it's sort of the artist to

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<v Billy Newman>sort of blend blend the line between how it's seen and understanding the line and the form is really

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<v Billy Newman>important to understanding how it's seen but uh yeah color's cool so i think colors colors what it's

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<v Billy Newman>for you can definitely use color in photographs but um yeah it's fun going through some black and whites

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<v Billy Newman>making a bunch of conversions going to try and put those into some kind of kind of larger collection

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<v Billy Newman>of images of some landscapes and some photos of us or you know like uh photos portraits and

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<v Billy Newman>portraits of the people and stuff that have taken over time that uh would be a good black and white

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<v Billy Newman>kind of collection together it's kind of fun kind of going back through doing different types of edits

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<v Billy Newman>makes you kind of think about the photos a little bit differently so yeah it's been interesting

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<v Billy Newman>most of the time i'm just kind of going for like a sharper and uh kind of picked up uh color

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<v Billy Newman>photograph of the same thing that i took a picture of and a lot of the time i'm not really thinking

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<v Billy Newman>about the black and white conversion that i should make out of it or you know i'm not really thinking

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<v Billy Newman>about a picture that i'm making in in context of it being a better black and white photograph so it

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<v Billy Newman>might be kind of interesting to try that out trying to think about things as being captured in black

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<v Billy Newman>and white think about the form the line the shading the the kind of gray tone and stuff of it so

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<v Billy Newman>it's kind of cool to to check out but there's a lot a lot you can kind of learn just from working

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<v Billy Newman>on the photographs that you already have and that's really a good way to do it too yeah you'll

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<v Billy Newman>work on those photographs you can kind of see the changes that you're making to old stuff and then

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<v Billy Newman>you can kind of know a little bit about well what was it that really popped when i took it and

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<v Billy Newman>made it a black and white and you're really going to notice it's not uh it's not like things of

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<v Billy Newman>color that you thought were interesting it's really like form and lines and sort of like

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<v Billy Newman>compositional things and that's what's really cool about uh about that is you can kind of kind

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<v Billy Newman>of look at the shape of the photographs shape of the way you're using a frame when you're thinking

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<v Billy Newman>about some black and white stuff more just because you want to make whatever's black and white you want

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<v Billy Newman>to make those lines seem interesting to look at and you kind of think about that a little bit more

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<v Billy Newman>when you're taking pictures in that format um but it can go both ways and uh yeah it's really cool

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<v Billy Newman>and just regular landscapes that are that are beautiful color photos i think are really interesting to

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<v Billy Newman>kind of convert over to black and white where you can like pull out those textures and clouds and sky

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<v Billy Newman>shape or sky patterns above and landscape forms and stuff it's really cool so uh black and white

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<v Billy Newman>conversions working on i'm still working with that mixer that x-touch uh behringer compact mixer

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<v Billy Newman>pretty cool works really well with the gray mixer stuff that's also kind of what inspired me to get

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<v Billy Newman>into this section of it a little bit more was uh was being able to just work on like a mixer board

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<v Billy Newman>like you would like an audio mixer and like oh i'm gonna grab the red channel bring up the brightness

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<v Billy Newman>in that grab the blue channel bring down the brightness of that make a local adjustment with

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<v Billy Newman>the mouse and the photograph like you normally would then go back to the channels make some

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<v Billy Newman>adjustments adjust the contrast the texture it's really cool you can just kind of drop in and kind

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<v Billy Newman>of physically make those operations and uh and you can also make a really extreme adjustment like

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<v Billy Newman>i was talking about you just like crank that slider all the way up see the big change up now

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<v Billy Newman>that's so good and then bring it back down to two or four whatever you know just a real subtle

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<v Billy Newman>adjustment so it's been cool i've been appreciating getting to get to work on some black and whites

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<v Billy Newman>i wanted to talk a little bit about like photo work that i've done in the past like photo jobs you

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<v Billy Newman>know when you're you're starting off as a photographer it's kind of a weird industry or a

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<v Billy Newman>weird kind of job to grab uh to kind of go after because you're not going to find a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>like businesses that are hiring for that in a way that actually has like a lot of relevance you know

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<v Billy Newman>what i mean uh there's a lot of like and i've had these jobs too and they're they're really uh pretty

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<v Billy Newman>good employment for being in your 20s and stuff it's fine but like kind of work in like a marketing

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<v Billy Newman>department or something like that where you're doing some sort of media related element but it's

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<v Billy Newman>also um i don't know just sort of like a job you know but for some of the just photography gigs that

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<v Billy Newman>are out there that you do earlier on than that where you're just kind of trying to pick up some

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<v Billy Newman>work and trying to like grab at some stuff it's kind of interesting and like i've done a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>those really even like that's just like a like more of what it is all the time is where you're just

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<v Billy Newman>operating your business you're looking for work you're trying to make contact with different

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<v Billy Newman>people that might be clients and if you're working in for like commercial environments it just kind

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<v Billy Newman>of goes into different places all the time where there's a lot of variety and things and also

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<v Billy Newman>just as a photographer you have to kind of pop into different things where you're doing real estate

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<v Billy Newman>or you're doing weddings or you're doing portraits of people or you're out in the woods trying to

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<v Billy Newman>capture you know trying to get landscape stuff or trying to get uh some kind of i don't know different

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<v Billy Newman>kind of unique thing or you're working down more commercially for someone just in sort of a routine

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<v Billy Newman>way uh so there's like a lot of different paths to it and over time you kind of pop into like a bunch

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<v Billy Newman>of different ones but there's this one job i wanted to talk about i remember i was thinking of it

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<v Billy Newman>because it was uh this time in october way back that uh that i think i'd i'd walked into this job

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<v Billy Newman>but i was looking around i think it was on craigslist this is sort of what i mean it's like you go into

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<v Billy Newman>craigslist you go to gigs you look you type in and search for photo and you see what comes back

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<v Billy Newman>and then you send out your cv or your business information

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<v Billy Newman>you

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<v Billy Newman>changes but i'm trying to put together some of those visual elements pretty much it's just like

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<v Billy Newman>kind of a fun activity side project thing but i'm trying to put some of these like visual video

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<v Billy Newman>elements together so i have a collection of those kinds of pieces too like you know i could have a

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<v Billy Newman>still photograph of a beautiful sunset say or i could have a maybe like an interesting time lapse

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<v Billy Newman>that sort of shows it roll through the colors and roll through the cloud formations that it makes

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<v Billy Newman>and i'd like to kind of make a couple of those to go in tandem with some of the other pieces of

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<v Billy Newman>work that i've been trying to put together so it kind of kind of goes carries on and stuff but

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<v Billy Newman>it's uh some of the stuff i've been up to i also got uh some mini dv tapes back i think i talked about

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<v Billy Newman>a couple podcasts back how i'd sent them off to be converted and i had a pair of them i think i had

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<v Billy Newman>two hours of footage converted from mini dv tape to mp4 and i got a thumb drive mailed back to me

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<v Billy Newman>and plugged it in the computer threw on the videos i think they're about 1.5 gigabytes an hour

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<v Billy Newman>for an mp4 of of standard standard def uh 2005 video from some mini dv camera uh and there's a

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<v Billy Newman>few good ones i got to work with but uh i think a lot of the footage is kind of interesting it's

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<v Billy Newman>interesting to see i think i'd like i mentioned maybe i'd recorded over a number of the tapes that

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<v Billy Newman>i'd used frequently so i'd record a project or record a couple clips of video none of it very

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<v Billy Newman>proficient and then i'd capture that over to a computer and edit it and then i'd black out

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<v Billy Newman>the tape and then record the next project over it so there's only like some sections of video that

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<v Billy Newman>probably still remain and i bet there's probably a lot of cool pieces that i wish i had been able

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<v Billy Newman>to keep i think some of the good stuff i do still have so that's cool and from what i found already

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<v Billy Newman>it's also pretty cool just to see what was there but uh but yeah like some few uh like i think it

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<v Billy Newman>was like a men's high school basketball game i think it was a i think there was a soccer game

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<v Billy Newman>recorded i think there was like a girls basketball game recorded i think there was an assembly recorded

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<v Billy Newman>like a bunch of like high school footage that i had recorded or that uh like other people had recorded

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<v Billy Newman>with me uh during probably 2005 2006 wow yeah that's cool yeah so kind of seeing some of that

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<v Billy Newman>footage and some of it we'd use for little projects and stuff we were working on but it's cool to see

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<v Billy Newman>the raw footage again and that's kind of fun about being able to pull up those tapes take them into a

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<v Billy Newman>place have them converted and then get get to check out the uh the types of footage that was on it but

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<v Billy Newman>yeah you get to see some cool stuff i think it was like i mentioned maybe before i converted some

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<v Billy Newman>stuff and i think it was like some somebody's wedding that i converted you know i don't have much

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<v Billy Newman>attachment to it but i'm sure those people do you know and uh they have the video of whatever it was

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<v Billy Newman>but it's cool that this raw video exists so maybe i'll reach out to him or something i reached out to

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<v Billy Newman>another friend and said hey check out this uh check out this video you know it's like an hour of

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<v Billy Newman>stuff back from high school that we thought was probably just gone you know so probably i think for

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<v Billy Newman>most people it is and i think most people don't really have like the uh the archivist mentality or the

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<v Billy Newman>the the media mentality that that i always do but it's really fun to have a photo album or have

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<v Billy Newman>a clip or a set of clips and videos and stuff from when you were younger and now especially that

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<v Billy Newman>we're we're older i think some of the some of the benefit of kind of keeping keeping a hold of some

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<v Billy Newman>of those things as they come up it's kind of cool you know you get to like pull up those things oh

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<v Billy Newman>wow yeah that was like 15 years ago no way that's what it seems like when 15 years pass and you get to

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<v Billy Newman>see like video yourself or video of some place that you're at it's cool so i'm happy to uh to be

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<v Billy Newman>going through and clipping up some of those uh pieces of video pretty fun and yeah kind of kind

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<v Billy Newman>of carry it on and stuff trying to get a few more of them converted i think i have like a little box

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<v Billy Newman>i probably have maybe somewhere less than eight of these tapes left and then i think i have a number

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<v Billy Newman>of tapes that i'm going to try and collect from my my family too i think they have a few like uh you

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<v Billy Newman>know like i don't know whatever probably the earlier stuff of uh like holidays and uh family events

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<v Billy Newman>and whatever that stuff was and all the tapes that i have are just from when i started you know back

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<v Billy Newman>in like the the 2000 probably four might be the earliest for photo stuff maybe like 2002 2003

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<v Billy Newman>but as video clips go it's probably 2004 2005 that i was really able to get access to some video stuff

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<v Billy Newman>at least that uh you know that like i was focused on or was using kind of on my own um and so yeah

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<v Billy Newman>it's cool to have those have those tapes around get them converted i get to check out

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<v Billy Newman>some old footage on it it's a little bit expensive i think it was 25 bucks for the two hours of footage

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<v Billy Newman>that i got um so it's fine and it's cool because it's it's good footage or it's cool to like have

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<v Billy Newman>these memories and stuff but it's also weird too if you spend 25 bucks and you just get

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<v Billy Newman>a blacked out tape you know imagine if it was just the blanks tape and you're like oh

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<v Billy Newman>yeah well cool shoot so it's been cool yeah kind of pulling up these old pieces and uh seeing some

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<v Billy Newman>stuff especially if it's like your old uh like home videos or home movies or your wedding or

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<v Billy Newman>something like that man all those things those are really cool memories to have and the nostalgia of

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<v Billy Newman>kind of being able to keep those is so important and now that it's so easy to digitize them we're

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<v Billy Newman>in a period of time right now it's easy to digitize them and easy to duplicate that that piece of data

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<v Billy Newman>out so you can archive it in different locations like a bigger thumb drive you can put a bunch of media

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<v Billy Newman>or you can kind of diversify that and make four thumb drives and keep them in different places

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<v Billy Newman>or with different people or you can share with different people if there's

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<v Billy Newman>sets of videos that you want to get out of just being siloed uh with you which is sort of where

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<v Billy Newman>i'm at too you know like i recorded a lot of video i recorded a lot of photos and i don't really

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<v Billy Newman>have to be the the yearbook creator for everyone i've ever met but uh i was also thinking well it'd be

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<v Billy Newman>cool you know if uh to kind of get a hold of a couple of people and say hey you know i have this uh

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<v Billy Newman>this video which has been archived in a box of many dv tapes for the last 15 years

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<v Billy Newman>i got a copy of it there's some footage of you for

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<v Billy Newman>where they they have the wood and it's finished but it's kind of form fit and cnc machine so that

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<v Billy Newman>it that it fits onto the bottom of like a new fuji camera body it's like kind of purpose built

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<v Billy Newman>for that camera and it sort of forms like a little handle or some little piece on it or

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<v Billy Newman>just fits at the bottom and i was thinking about uh something like that but only if i could really

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<v Billy Newman>do it in a way that that looks really sharp uh the other thing that i was considering was building

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<v Billy Newman>a couple of pistol grips and i really like shooting with the pistol grip i think most

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<v Billy Newman>people don't really take advantage of of what a pistol grip can do but i've appreciated

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<v Billy Newman>having something having some other better stronger handle for my left hand to take hold of

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<v Billy Newman>when uh when i need to kind of rest my right hand or or really what i like is being able to bring

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<v Billy Newman>both hands up to my eye and i feel like that gives me some better stability when i'm trying to to frame

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<v Billy Newman>up my picture um and you know it's it's nothing i mean shoot you know anybody knows you can shoot

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<v Billy Newman>with the camera the way that comes but uh but i have liked that when i've when i've been out and

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<v Billy Newman>trying to work for for a longer amount of time um so i was thinking about just for the novelty of it

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<v Billy Newman>making uh making a pistol grip with this uh this old or this you know this redwood that we have that

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<v Billy Newman>i can sand down and kind of form fit to the side of uh like a handle for a pistol grip maybe there's

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<v Billy Newman>some other kind of cool feature i could build into it it probably wouldn't be a shutter button though

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<v Billy Newman>i don't think i'd be into a left hand shutter for most stuff uh but i do like the idea of having

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<v Billy Newman>like a pistol grip there and then having the wind and the shutter on the other side so you can kind

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<v Billy Newman>of have uh like maybe a little bit more of a balanced camera i was thinking about setting that

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<v Billy Newman>up for for just that type of that one kit and then setting like that that manual focus film

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<v Billy Newman>camera up in this cool way that i would want to go out and use or use for something more specific

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<v Billy Newman>it came with a 50 millimeter 1.8 pancake lens that was manual focus it's not it's not the sharpest lens

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<v Billy Newman>out there and uh but it's really very adequate and it's a it's a good lens for a manual focus camera but

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<v Billy Newman>i've been interested in what it would take to go out and find a few different lenses or a few

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<v Billy Newman>different autofocus lenses that would be inexpensive and cheap to kind of add on board into the photography

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<v Billy Newman>collections of lenses that i've got and i've actually over even the last six months i've gotten

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<v Billy Newman>rid of a number of lenses um that i'd previously purchased in the past for you know some discounted

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<v Billy Newman>price and really mostly it's because they weren't that good of lenses they're not they're not exceptional

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<v Billy Newman>glass and i was thinking well i should really kind of cut down or cut back on a few of these lenses

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<v Billy Newman>and then reinvest into some other things that might be a little bit more functional for us and i think

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<v Billy Newman>we did do that you know with a with a number of pieces of the photo gear this past year um so just

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<v Billy Newman>kind of thinking about the 50 millimeter 1.8 on the manual focus fg20 nikon camera i've been thinking

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<v Billy Newman>that it'd be cool if i could find uh like an 80 or 85 1.4 or some old versions or some manual focus

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<v Billy Newman>version of an 85 1.4 uh to make it like a really killer film portrait camera i don't know i just

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<v Billy Newman>have some cool roll of kodak portrait in the camera all the time and it's set up with the 85 1.4 to take

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<v Billy Newman>uh you know cool walk around town portraits with maybe that'd be a cool thing to do i don't know if

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<v Billy Newman>that would ever make sense so it'd probably be uh an expensive enough lens or purchase that i'd probably

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<v Billy Newman>just want to use it on all my other cameras i think the lens i was looking at for that was this uh this

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<v Billy Newman>contacts lens i think that's what it was but it had like uh the nikon mount to it it looked like uh

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<v Billy Newman>it looked like a real uh sharp lens just aesthetically it looked like it was a uh kind of an interesting

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<v Billy Newman>like metal and it was manual focus it's a new lens it's it's uh it's a modern build of a lens but

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<v Billy Newman>it was like a manual focus lens i think because it's uh so fancy it's not auto focus i'm not quite sure

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<v Billy Newman>what that is maybe it's the same as the roquinon one for uh for 400 bucks brand new the the 85 1.4

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<v Billy Newman>uh that's uh like a manual focus you pick up oh man there are bees outside bees are bouncing off

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<v Billy Newman>the window of my truck which is the mobile studio that i'm recording from recording this wonderful

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<v Billy Newman>podcast from so other stuff that's going on outside of my uh search for some new auto focus lenses

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<v Billy Newman>that uh that i can throw into the mix make some special kits out of like well i guess to finish

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<v Billy Newman>that out i have like the the d4 d40 i have the d40 that i've had around forever nine years now this

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<v Billy Newman>is my first camera it's still just got the 18 to 55 kit lens on it right now and it's stashed in the

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<v Billy Newman>back corner of a room i should probably lend it out to someone to use or to shoot with for a while if

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<v Billy Newman>they'd want it or think it was fun but um but i want to try and find like some other some other

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<v Billy Newman>nikon kit lens that came with uh you know the d7000 whatever that one whatever update lens it was

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<v Billy Newman>for it i should throw that onto the body and you know go shoot around with it or have it have it set

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<v Billy Newman>up to do um to do like some action thing or get dunked or get burned or i don't know just get used

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<v Billy Newman>up before uh before there's really no use that it could make for me so i don't know i was trying

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<v Billy Newman>to think of uh other stuff to do with it but um yeah the other stuff i was thinking about was uh

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<v Billy Newman>how tough it has been for me to keep anything on hootsuite you guys don't care about that but how

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<v Billy Newman>how bad my scheduling has been for uh getting any of these uh like social media posts set up and

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<v Billy Newman>online what i'm trying to do all the time is shoot the pictures edit the pictures and then prep them

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<v Billy Newman>to be published or to be sent out with uh with some kind of column or text or tweet or or some little

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<v Billy Newman>blurb or paragraph about the picture with it uh which i hate doing that's probably what slows the

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<v Billy Newman>process down the most other than me just not taking enough photographs to fill the need um which is

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<v Billy Newman>uh something i'm trying to excel at but i have a ton of photographs they're set up they're kind of

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<v Billy Newman>backlogged and a lot of this stuff has been kind of purpose built where it's like just sort of

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<v Billy Newman>somebody else's family i'm taking pictures of or someone else's wedding i'm taking pictures of and

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<v Billy Newman>so i don't really get to share those out of

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