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Title: Get Out There Podcast Episode 20: 167 Billy Newman Photo podcast mixdown Coyote Sighting - Part 4 & Exploring IPFS and Distributed Audio

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<v Billy Newman>Welcome to the Get Out There Podcast. Outdoor exploration, backcountry camping, public land adventures, and river guide stories.

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<v Billy Newman>your car but that's still a far cry different from the wilderness experience you get from an rv park

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<v Billy Newman>that's a sort of more um i don't know urbanized civilized something like that it's it's a it's a

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<v Billy Newman>pretty tight kind of compact area where you just sort of uh lined up in there and um if you have

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<v Billy Newman>a if you have good opportunity or you know good locations that you're sort of set up with a with a

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<v Billy Newman>vehicle like a fifth wheel i think it's kind of cool but man there's just been so many times where

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<v Billy Newman>i've been with people even with pretty small like 19 foot trailers and you just can't get them

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<v Billy Newman>backed up or turned around in the same kind of flexible way that you can with a uh with a pickup

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<v Billy Newman>truck or or uh you know an all-terrain suv or something like that you can just kind of spin that

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<v Billy Newman>thing around on a tighter forest service gravel road and then head back the other direction but

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<v Billy Newman>if you're going up there with the truck and trailer you really have to have like a full turnaround

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<v Billy Newman>system set up before you're kind of confident to to get back in there and then if you come up across

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<v Billy Newman>um like a washout or you know some kind of drainage problem in the road or just a big ditch or bump or

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<v Billy Newman>something like that you got to worry about i don't know kind of a number of different things

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<v Billy Newman>that just sort of make uh you know make travel around with a trailer in that way a little bit

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<v Billy Newman>more tricky um but people have gotten used to it and have a lot of skill with it and i bet if you're

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<v Billy Newman>driving around a truck or trailer and stuff then you probably probably know what risks you're uh

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<v Billy Newman>you're into or or not willing to take when you're doing it but it's kind of cool yeah the van life

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<v Billy Newman>stuff i was thinking about those travels uh that i had done before and some of the kind of

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<v Billy Newman>backpacking stuff that i'd added into that where it was sort of a mix between um between

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<v Billy Newman>backpacking wilderness travel that i would do every couple days but and then also a lot of uh car

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<v Billy Newman>camping travel and then also kind of a little bit of an edge of uh of like going into an urban area

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<v Billy Newman>and either getting a hotel or you know sleeping in the car uh in a middle class suburban neighborhood

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<v Billy Newman>that was a lot of it too so yeah van life it's pretty fun yeah so i kind of prefer to stay out

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<v Billy Newman>in the the wilderness area as opposed to uh to kind of roam around in a uh sort of suburban

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<v Billy Newman>neighborhood and try and sleep in the trunk of my car it seems like uh it seems like kind of a

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<v Billy Newman>weirder life to do that sort of a thing um so i like yeah heading out into eastern oregon and uh kind

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<v Billy Newman>of taking off and doing some wilderness stuff and being in the mountains and making a fire and all

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<v Billy Newman>that instead of uh trying to hide out and camp in the back of my car and then leave early in the

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<v Billy Newman>morning before too many people notice i've been there um that was always kind of a stranger a

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<v Billy Newman>stranger part of the uh the traveling camping wilderness experience when you're just kind of

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<v Billy Newman>traveling around and you know sleeping in your car and then heading off to the next place in the

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<v Billy Newman>next day or something you remember kind of pulling into some weird town outside of yosemite after we'd

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<v Billy Newman>been there and then just kind of sleeping in my car uh down at the bottom of the hill from

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<v Billy Newman>yosemite not in fresno thank god and then hitting the highway and then heading up and then uh and

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<v Billy Newman>then cutting over toward uh nevada i think from there is where we went but yeah i just remember

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<v Billy Newman>like a couple of those days being kind of strange where you're just in some some little old gold

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<v Billy Newman>miner town uh setting up a sleeping bag in the back of your car to just kind of snooze after you went

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<v Billy Newman>over to a shopping mart or you know some kind of grocery store to pick up a whatever and put it in

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<v Billy Newman>the jet boil and eat it and stuff so yeah i mean weird weird times out there on the road but i kind of

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<v Billy Newman>want to get into that and kind of do a breakdown of a couple of those trips and um sort of some of

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<v Billy Newman>the traveling stuff that i did week to week over there and then some of the the photo stuff that i

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<v Billy Newman>did along with it it's kind of kind of fun but um yeah it's pretty cool uh getting to talk about

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<v Billy Newman>some of that getting to see that coyote that was pretty cool getting to talk about some uh some

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<v Billy Newman>nomad how to live as a nomad stuff is pretty cool i'll probably get into that more too some of the

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<v Billy Newman>books and the resources and stuff that i tried to uh to get into on site when i was trying to

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<v Billy Newman>figure out what uh what best options there were for me to get out and do some outdoor travel stuff

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<v Billy Newman>and it's kind of tough you know you want to you sort of you're interested in like oh like uh

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<v Billy Newman>camping or something or survival or photography or whatever it is and then kind of like blending

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<v Billy Newman>those together to feel you know like all right so when you when you in a rush to get out into the

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<v Billy Newman>wilderness or when you kind of like coming back to just sort of do like a lighter in town uh kind of

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<v Billy Newman>camp out things it's kind of interesting like i travel around like that as you go back and forth

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<v Billy Newman>from needing a computer and power and an internet connection to also trying to get 15 miles deep

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<v Billy Newman>into a wilderness area where you can set up a camera and do some wildlife photography or some

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<v Billy Newman>nature photography or some landscape photography and then also kind of repeating that where you come back

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<v Billy Newman>to a car where you have more services and data connectivity and then you need to travel a long way

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<v Billy Newman>and then also again repeat the same process and that nomad style of uh you know using the internet

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<v Billy Newman>using uh or kind of getting your business done and uh trying to be in contact with people to to kind of

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<v Billy Newman>make some stuff happen and stuff so that always kind of strange to sort of do that that number of

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<v Billy Newman>different things and stuff but also that's sort of what the skill is of uh going out and doing you

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<v Billy Newman>know multiple days or multiple stretches of trips to do some photo stuff or some outdoor travel

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<v Billy Newman>stuff or whatever it might be but it was kind of cool so if you want to uh you can check out my

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<v Billy Newman>website billynewmanphoto.com you can go to billynewmanphoto.com forward slash support to help

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<v Billy Newman>out this podcast it's a value for value model where um where if you're interested in uh what you've heard

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<v Billy Newman>or you think you've received some value out of uh out of listening to some of the ideas or topics

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<v Billy Newman>that i talked about uh feel free to help me out and send me some money or something that is

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<v Billy Newman>equivalent to the value that uh that you feel like you got out of the podcast and stuff you can check

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<v Billy Newman>out uh paypal links at billynewmanphoto.com forward slash support you can also use uh patreon if you're

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<v Billy Newman>more interested in the uh the format of that system i know some people already have their patreon

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<v Billy Newman>systems uh or you know patreon payment system set up so if you're more comfortable with that

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<v Billy Newman>patreon.com forward slash billynewmanphoto um and what else is there going on i think i got a couple

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<v Billy Newman>other things uh kind of working out i'm trying to get the night sky podcast set up with a bunch of

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<v Billy Newman>information about some of the upcoming uh conjunction to saturn and jupiter that's going to

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<v Billy Newman>be pretty cool on the 21st um so i'm trying to put out a podcast about that right away and then

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<v Billy Newman>trying to get a bunch of podcasts up for the rest of the year so that uh there's some information

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<v Billy Newman>about some of the changes going on in the sky also trying to do a podcast about uh some music stuff

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<v Billy Newman>too i think that'd be kind of cool hey the geese just took off i think they're just kind of

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<v Billy Newman>lifting up a couple hundred of them see if they take off over me looks like they're turning this

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<v Billy Newman>way i'm not sure if the mic's going to pick it up very well but uh but yeah trying to do a music

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<v Billy Newman>podcast should be kind of cool working with spotify premium uh to put out a playlist of songs that they

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<v Billy Newman>have in their catalog and then uh buttress that up against uh some sections of me talking and

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<v Billy Newman>reviewing some of the information about that album but uh trying to go through some of my uh my

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<v Billy Newman>favorite albums uh over of time you know of the the music that's available and stuff so trying to

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<v Billy Newman>go through a bunch of albums give a couple notes and put that out as a show on spotify now that you

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<v Billy Newman>can do that sort of stuff kind of cool so you can check out the music listening sessions with billy

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<v Billy Newman>newman on spotify but i think that should be everything if you want to see uh more stuff go to

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<v Billy Newman>um but uh but yeah i've been trying to dry out some stuff and trying to rotate some things around

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<v Billy Newman>so that i'm staying dry and pretty warm and that's been pretty helpful there is snow out here in a lot

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<v Billy Newman>of spots too so i mean it is there is wetness there is ice there is a lot of cold and uh yeah a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>that snow that's kind of been piled up even if some parts of the days are like above freezing a

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<v Billy Newman>lot of the snow has just sort of stayed in the shade stayed intact stayed frozen for i don't know

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<v Billy Newman>however long it's been since the snowed last and at these elevations it's probably pretty frequent

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<v Billy Newman>that it gets some cold weather or some overnight rain and snowfall and stuff that kind of gathers up

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<v Billy Newman>and i see it in a lot of spots out here i'm kind of all over in the hills and stuff and especially for

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<v Billy Newman>for the distance and stuff traveled it's like oh well yeah there's some water there's some rain

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<v Billy Newman>something like that in the wintertime so it's happening but uh but yeah trying to stay uh as

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<v Billy Newman>warm as i can trying to remove my boots and stuff uh kind of near the evening and switching to like

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<v Billy Newman>different shoes if i've gone on like a long hike i've been trying to do that a bit and that's all

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<v Billy Newman>been pretty good oh another piece of gear that i've been using a ton on the days out and stuff i

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<v Billy Newman>get my uh my camera bag set up i get my like coffee or something like that in the morning going

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<v Billy Newman>and then i uh i break open a couple packages of those hand warmers you can get those hand warmers

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<v Billy Newman>anywhere sometimes the the foot warmer packages are like a little uh a little easier to use of a

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<v Billy Newman>shape those are sometimes more expensive too but i get those hand warmers you can get those in bulk

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<v Billy Newman>costco's got them buying what's got them all over every every store's got them but uh but

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<v Billy Newman>breaking those open and then throwing those in the pockets or throwing those into the the toes of my

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<v Billy Newman>shoes have been really helpful the pads for the foot ones work better because they're like a little

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<v Billy Newman>more flat and they kind of don't obstruct the the placement of your foot and your shoe as much

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<v Billy Newman>but uh trying to put yeah some kind of like warming piece like those uh hand warmers and stuff into my

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<v Billy Newman>socks that works great or uh or down kind of near my foot or something but yeah anything to kind of

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<v Billy Newman>keep uh keep parts of my feet warm has been uh pretty cool for some of the hikes and stuff out here

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<v Billy Newman>and uh kind of like i was talking about i got out here pretty early i try to get up pretty early in the

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<v Billy Newman>morning so i can get out away from camp and before the sun comes up so i can kind of get some dynamics

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<v Billy Newman>and some of the stuff that i'm trying to photograph and and that's been pretty cool i've been trying to

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<v Billy Newman>do that the hand worker warmers are working great it's also working great on like the fishing trips

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<v Billy Newman>and stuff too that's really what i was trying to do super in the early in the morning the other day as i

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<v Billy Newman>try to take off and then hit the fishing spot throw some casts and stuff and really you're just

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<v Billy Newman>sitting there and stuff and that's really what you're doing with a lot of the photographs too is you

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<v Billy Newman>just kind of get set up you're sitting there with the tripod and the camera sometimes you kind of have

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<v Billy Newman>the ease with uh with the photography to not have to be quiet or be still or be kind of concentrated

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<v Billy Newman>on you know the fish and the fishing experience specifically and you can kind of like uh roam

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<v Billy Newman>around or keep moving and keep your legs moving and stuff but uh but yeah with the fishing stuff

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<v Billy Newman>it's been super necessary for me to just kind of rely on those uh those little hand warmers and that uh

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<v Billy Newman>that propane heater when i can i went out the first time without it i think the next time i go fishing

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<v Billy Newman>in the morning i'm going to bring that propane heater all the way down with the little

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<v Billy Newman>you know a little portable kit next to me so i can sit on the dock and uh crowd the heat there

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<v Billy Newman>but uh but as it was yeah the other day it was just uh it was just holding on to the uh the the heat

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<v Billy Newman>from the hand warmer as best i could and that was uh yeah so all i had going on but um i was also

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<v Billy Newman>doing well let's see so i have this um i have this headlamp flashlights i talked about flashlights on

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<v Billy Newman>another couple podcasts a while back i got a couple um like having a handheld flashlight that

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<v Billy Newman>works really well and i also really like having my headlamp on uh on trips where i'm backpacking

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<v Billy Newman>and kind of traveling stuff out of uh out of my backpack or even out of the car and stuff i like

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<v Billy Newman>having the bigger flashlight around and that's a you know kind of always just a couple feet away and so

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<v Billy Newman>i can go grab that but at nighttime having that headlamp around so you have like your your two hands

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<v Billy Newman>free and anywhere you look you have uh you have your light you know that's uh that's always great but

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<v Billy Newman>when i go to bed i normally have like the the you know like the the full handheld flashlight around

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<v Billy Newman>somewhere but i've also been kind of trying to uh learn this trick where you take your headlamp

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<v Billy Newman>uh take it off your head sometimes i would just wear it around my neck as a necklace that kind of

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<v Billy Newman>get tangled up on me when i was in my sleeping bag sometimes and not always be that comfortable

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<v Billy Newman>but i wanted to have the headlamp around so i could grab it at night when i woke up and i needed

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<v Billy Newman>some light to do something um what i like doing though is uh is kind of taking it on my left hand

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<v Billy Newman>a right hand i guess if it interferes with your watch or something you can do do the other side

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<v Billy Newman>but uh i kind of loop it over my hand and then i sort of um sort of strap it up like uh twice you

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<v Billy Newman>know sort of cross it over like a figure eight of the loop and then i kind of cross it over my hand

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<v Billy Newman>again and then i do that once more until it's uh kind of just like a tight wrap up on my wrist and

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<v Billy Newman>then i've got my headlamp sort of strapped up on my wrist while i'm sleeping and it i get you set it up

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<v Billy Newman>so it's pretty comfortable it's not uh not overly tight or anything but then if you wake up and you

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<v Billy Newman>need to hit your light real fast you just go right to your wrist you hit your button and then boom you

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<v Billy Newman>got your torch on uh right away but i've been trying to do that while i've been camping out in the tent

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<v Billy Newman>and uh whatever i wake up at in the middle of night boom i can grab grab a hold of my light and get to

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<v Billy Newman>whatever i need pretty quick but um but kind of doing that for the overnight stuff and um i haven't

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<v Billy Newman>been in snow yet but uh the spot that i drove up to to camp first was snowed in like as you kind of

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<v Billy Newman>like are creeping up the road you're sort of gently leveling up in elevation and then by the time you

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<v Billy Newman>get like kind of up to the camping area you're in the snow zone so there's like a couple inches of

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<v Billy Newman>snow that's been there for however long through the winter time i gotta wait a couple months for it

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<v Billy Newman>to melt out and then dry out before i can camp there again but what i was noticing when i was up there is

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<v Billy Newman>um i decided not to camp there and i went back down to a drier spot that i could uh have a little

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<v Billy Newman>bit easier access to kind of move around but um it was good for me for the time uh but what i was

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<v Billy Newman>noticing though is yeah uh and this happened to me at another time where i was camping out before in

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<v Billy Newman>the car years ago now outside of yosemite but i had the truck i went to bed and then overnight it

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<v Billy Newman>snowed snowed a couple inches and then it covered all the stuff that i had and it kind of disappeared it

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<v Billy Newman>under the snow and stuff so it kind of made like a hassle to try and find a lot of the small

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<v Billy Newman>things a lot of like little tools and stuff

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<v Robert Biscourette>that i have there's there's a couple different features out there there's like maybe one that

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<v Robert Biscourette>you've heard before where you put ss before the youtube domain name and that'll send you over to

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<v Robert Biscourette>a website called i think it's like save form or something like that and then you can you can

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<v Robert Biscourette>download sort of a lower resolution uh version of that that file which saved me a couple or you

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<v Robert Biscourette>know that helped me out a couple times it was uh you know audio and video of it you can download it

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<v Robert Biscourette>i think it was ad free uh that it's as a website that kind of you know pushes you to buy stuff a

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<v Robert Biscourette>lot though too i think the way the service works i was also trying to check out this thing called

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<v Robert Biscourette>youtube dash dl which was like a youtube downloader um so i was trying to go through and download some

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<v Robert Biscourette>of the videos that i had on youtube but that i don't really have like the same same clips from

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<v Robert Biscourette>on my computer so it's cool i don't know i've been going through and checking out uh some d tube and

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<v Robert Biscourette>what is it d sounds distributed sounds distributed audio it's kind of cool uh checking it out

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<v Robert Biscourette>so i'm uploading a video in the background right now on my laptop it's a like a screen capture video

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<v Robert Biscourette>working in lightroom and uh going through the editing of a photo uh so i'm throwing that up

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<v Robert Biscourette>there on d tube which is uh like i don't know probably gonna take forever to upload it's it's

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<v Robert Biscourette>kind of a larger uh i think it's like more than 10 minutes or something like that it's more than

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<v Robert Biscourette>gigabyte so it's like a bigger file for that network to take so i think it takes like a little bit

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<v Robert Biscourette>more time but it's cool i'm trying it out and uh and i guess i'll kind of see how it goes

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<v Robert Biscourette>it's also cool too i guess you can just you can publish websites to the ipfs hash tables also like

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<v Robert Biscourette>if you write like a static html site or html css site um i guess you can package that and then upload

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<v Robert Biscourette>that and you will have a web link to go to that html site and it will pull up like it was pulled up on a

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<v Robert Biscourette>server which is pretty interesting i haven't really learned quite enough about it yet i'm trying

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<v Robert Biscourette>to figure it out a little bit more i want to try and get a like some kind of um distributed

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<v Robert Biscourette>distributed blog website up or you know something where you can you can kind of update it a couple

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<v Robert Biscourette>times i think there's another one called steepshot.io that was this uh this photo sharing website that i

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<v Robert Biscourette>was checking out which is kind of cool it's still all these are still in alpha i was having a hard time

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<v Robert Biscourette>actually like getting stuff to upload when i was using it uh so it was kind of kind of interesting

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<v Robert Biscourette>but i think it's you know it's stuff that it kind of comes and goes as you're sort of an early adopter

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<v Robert Biscourette>of some of the services uh but i'm gonna try and uh try and use steepshot.io to continue doing some

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<v Robert Biscourette>stuff too that's another uh distributed photo sharing site which is kind of cool uses the i think i think

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<v Robert Biscourette>when you post a photo it posts it to the blockchain ledger this is still sort of something that's out of

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<v Robert Biscourette>my depth it seems to me but i think it's kind of cool that uh that yeah you're able to do stuff like

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<v Robert Biscourette>that and yeah but put stuff up on the web and download it from the web uh without ever really

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<v Robert Biscourette>going through a centralized service so it's kind of fun stuff but um in addition to that i've been

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<v Robert Biscourette>working on podcasting stuff i've been working here in the studio trying to get things going i've been

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<v Robert Biscourette>trying to get the the uh the keyboard rolling i think i've got it kind of figured out now so i've got

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<v Robert Biscourette>the the keyboard and midi controller rolling and i've got my audio interface set up with the two

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<v Robert Biscourette>channels which is kind of cool um trying to record into sonar right now instead of adobe audition which

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<v Robert Biscourette>is interesting i'm applying a couple live effects in the uh the effects rack which is kind of cool

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<v Robert Biscourette>or just kind of interesting like uh getting to check out how stuff is or you know like how different

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<v Robert Biscourette>services and stuff work and uh and yeah it's cool um gatewalk lightroom was definitely built out to be

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<v Robert Biscourette>a really capable multi-track recorder i'd used it years ago and stuff when scott and i were doing

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<v Robert Biscourette>scott and robert uh we're doing the the studio audio studio stuff trying to record and do like

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<v Robert Biscourette>multi-track band recording and stuff that was really fun really interesting but we all used uh sonar for

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<v Robert Biscourette>that uh to kind of do the the multi-tracking for podcast recording it's probably a lot of overkill you

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<v Robert Biscourette>know like a whole bunch of different different tracks set up to record you know i don't know

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<v Robert Biscourette>eight or 16 tracks of a band uh for first recording one track of audio for a podcast and then maybe

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<v Robert Biscourette>putting some some music bed underneath it i think it's uh it's working pretty well for that system right

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<v Robert Biscourette>now um but yeah it's cool uh trying to get into the the audio stuff getting a computer set up with it

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<v Robert Biscourette>having the keyboard set up is pretty fun too i um i'm also trying to like look at audio or what is it

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<v Robert Biscourette>like studio furniture so i've been trying to like get the studio set up and uh it's cool to get you

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<v Robert Biscourette>know to work that's kind of one of my things but uh i've been trying to like go around and i was looking

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<v Robert Biscourette>at yeah like pictures on google of different console desks you could probably look that up like audio

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<v Robert Biscourette>console desk or audio studio console or something like that i don't know you'll get pictures of it

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<v Robert Biscourette>it's just these it seems like really really cool furniture desks you know like it's a built-out

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<v Robert Biscourette>desk that in the middle of it is sort of lowered so you can slide in this big 32 channel console

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<v Robert Biscourette>mixer into it and then on either side you have all your control panels and stuff you have your shelf

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<v Robert Biscourette>with your computer monitor or whatever above and then you have all of your control racks your studio

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<v Robert Biscourette>monitors like your big studio monitor speakers up on the sides kind of raised up against it

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<v Robert Biscourette>but it was cool yeah kind of going through and seeing like the different kind of outboard gear

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<v Robert Biscourette>that people put into their studios and stuff and i thought it was kind of interesting you know when i

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<v Robert Biscourette>was looking up radio studios too and even back in my time of working in a radio station at kldr

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<v Robert Biscourette>it was uh and i don't know it was just interesting like they really radio stations don't have a lot going

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<v Robert Biscourette>on it's cool if they had a little bit of money and they were able to buy out

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<v Robert Biscourette>like a studio or have a couple of production rooms or something like that but really man a lot of the

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<v Robert Biscourette>time when i look at some of the studio equipment it's just sort of a a felt covered desk with

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<v Robert Biscourette>you know some electronics box it looks sort of like an amplifier and then a headphone and a microphone

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<v Robert Biscourette>coming out of it with like a yellow legal pad and just a couple cables running off the side of a

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<v Robert Biscourette>desk but it just looks like you know it's in some i don't know some fluorescent

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