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Title: Media Tech Podcast Episode 10: The Power of Second Edits on Old Photos | Mastering Long Exposure in Winter

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<v Billy Newman>Hello and thank you very much for listening to this Media Tech podcast.

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<v Billy Newman>I wanted to talk today about working through some of your photo library stuff again, and

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<v Billy Newman>I've been doing that a bit through this part of the year, but I've been going back through

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<v Billy Newman>my photo library.

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<v Billy Newman>Like I talked about before, I was trying to do some hard drive backup stuff so that I

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<v Billy Newman>have my photo library copied over to a couple different locations so that I have everything

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<v Billy Newman>kind of backed up in a more reasonable way.

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<v Billy Newman>I was talking about the 3-2-1 backup strategy on a couple podcasts ago, and so as I was

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<v Billy Newman>trying to do that, I've been kind of going through those photographs and then starting

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<v Billy Newman>to do some, not recategorizing, but just kind of going through and grabbing some photos,

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<v Billy Newman>putting them in a little side collection in Lightroom, and then I'm going back to those

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<v Billy Newman>at the end of the day, and then I'm trying to go through those photographs and do some

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<v Billy Newman>re-editing to them.

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<v Billy Newman>And so I've been either trying to do some re-cropping to them to kind of see if there's a different

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<v Billy Newman>sort of photograph that I can pull out of it, either making a change to a photograph

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<v Billy Newman>that I had originally composed as, say, a landscape.

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<v Billy Newman>Maybe I can do something with it to make it interesting as a portrait, or maybe I'm doing

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<v Billy Newman>some things where I'm taking a subject that I had placed in the center of the photograph

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<v Billy Newman>and I'm pulling it to a side or to one of the thirds of the photograph.

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<v Billy Newman>But I'm going through and doing some re-cropping to kind of restructure the images.

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<v Billy Newman>I'm also going back through and doing some re-color editing, which works pretty good.

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<v Billy Newman>But yeah, these second edits kind of go well.

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<v Billy Newman>So part of it is like the adjustments that you do to the photographs, the specific changes

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<v Billy Newman>you make to a raw file to make it look visually the way that you want to.

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<v Billy Newman>And there's so many choices in that.

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<v Billy Newman>You can make a choice, and then you can go back and make a second edition of those

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<v Billy Newman>choices, and you can really end up with a whole new, at least artistic expression of

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<v Billy Newman>that photograph, which is kind of fun.

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<v Billy Newman>It's cool to do, and it's cool to go back through the photographs and sort of rework them.

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<v Billy Newman>And oftentimes, you can kind of redraft it in a way that maybe you like a little more, or

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<v Billy Newman>that is, I don't know, part of at least something that you're sort of more excited

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<v Billy Newman>about and more interested in than the first take of it you had.

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<v Billy Newman>So a lot of the time, this works better with work that's maybe more than a year old or

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<v Billy Newman>more than six months old, at the least.

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<v Billy Newman>I like doing it with stuff that's about two years old or so, and that's sort of where

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<v Billy Newman>I've kind of gotten it out of my mind enough, or sort of that project, or whatever I was

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<v Billy Newman>working on, or at least even that artistic style of editing that I was into at that time.

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<v Billy Newman>And I can kind of go back through and look at those images with real fresh eyes, hardly

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<v Billy Newman>even remembering the time or the technique that I was trying to implement at the time.

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<v Billy Newman>And I can go back through that photograph, make a virtual copy in Lightroom, and then make

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<v Billy Newman>additional edits to it in a way that I hadn't before, which is cool.

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<v Billy Newman>And so a lot of the time, there's kind of lean toward changes that would be maybe in like

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<v Billy Newman>the color tone, or you know, like the warmth of the photograph, or like a coolness, you know,

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<v Billy Newman>kind of shifting it more toward a blue or purple tone.

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<v Billy Newman>And that can kind of change the emotional impact of a photograph or a landscape photograph a

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<v Billy Newman>lot of the time.

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<v Billy Newman>And it's kind of cool to do that.

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<v Billy Newman>And it's nice.

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<v Billy Newman>Sometimes it's like softening stuff to make it just a little bit more simple of an edit,

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<v Billy Newman>you know, a little less dramatic or a little less present.

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<v Billy Newman>And sometimes it's just kind of softening up some of the texture so that, yeah, just is

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<v Billy Newman>like a little bit of an easier sort of light image.

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<v Billy Newman>Sometimes it's kind of making it more dramatic.

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<v Billy Newman>I really have liked that too, of like shifting these color photographs into black and white

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<v Billy Newman>conversions.

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<v Billy Newman>And you've probably been seeing those if you follow the Instagram channel at Billy Newman

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<v Billy Newman>or on my blog.

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<v Billy Newman>I have some Instagram black and white conversions posted on some blog posts there too that you

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<v Billy Newman>can check out.

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<v Billy Newman>But I've been going back through a lot of photographs and then doing these black and white

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<v Billy Newman>conversions and trying to work through with the color mixer and stuff to try and get these

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<v Billy Newman>more dramatic effects in the black and white where you can really go in and pull, say,

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<v Billy Newman>like the blue channel down to be dark or bright in the mix of the black and white image.

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<v Billy Newman>And this can really bring out a lot of these kind of tonal contrasts, sort of like using a

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<v Billy Newman>polarizer or something.

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<v Billy Newman>You can pull out a lot of these contrasts in the sky that are kind of difficult to pull

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<v Billy Newman>out otherwise.

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<v Billy Newman>Really cool though.

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<v Billy Newman>You can get a lot of cool dynamics and cool textures and stuff in the sky and the clouds

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<v Billy Newman>and the water.

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<v Billy Newman>In the landscape and stuff.

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<v Billy Newman>So I've been kind of trying to mess around with that, with the black and whites and stuff.

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<v Billy Newman>And really with a lot of second edits of color photos, that's been pretty cool too.

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<v Billy Newman>And I think like going through and trying to make sort of clean, print-ready photographs,

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<v Billy Newman>it's always sort of like a thing that you can kind of update or kind of go back through

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<v Billy Newman>and revise a little bit.

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<v Billy Newman>But also sometimes it feels like photographs are just sort of cooked and it's just sort of

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<v Billy Newman>whatever it is, is the way that it is.

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<v Billy Newman>It's more often than not, you know, as opposed to just going back to an old photograph of

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<v Billy Newman>say some mountain I had taken a picture of before.

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<v Billy Newman>What's really kind of nice is going back out to that same area with like another, you

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<v Billy Newman>know, whatever camera I have now and whatever lenses I'm working with now and then kind of

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<v Billy Newman>going back through the same area, but sort of with a different eye and with whatever the

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<v Billy Newman>environment my interests are now.

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<v Billy Newman>And that sort of is like a whole, a new experience.

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<v Billy Newman>And then you can kind of take that into the editing that you're doing with it, even if it's

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<v Billy Newman>the same location or a lot of the same say types of photos of a mountain or a waterfall

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<v Billy Newman>or some land feature or something like I would photograph.

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<v Billy Newman>It's kind of cool to go back through those and, uh, and sort of update the images, uh,

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<v Billy Newman>with a new camera, with new photographs, new files and, uh, and rework those.

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<v Billy Newman>So I've been kind of doing a little bit of both and kind of getting prepped up with

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<v Billy Newman>some of my gear to get going on a couple longer Eastern Oregon trips.

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<v Billy Newman>Uh, I've been doing some like day trip stuff that's been working.

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<v Billy Newman>Okay.

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<v Billy Newman>I kind of talked about the long nights that are going on right now, and I've been really

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<v Billy Newman>hoping, well, but waiting for this, uh, the shift over into the daylight savings time,

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<v Billy Newman>hoping that that, uh, kind of changes a little bit.

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<v Billy Newman>I know it's just kind of the numbers and the clock, but I hope it kind of shifts a little

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<v Billy Newman>bit.

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<v Billy Newman>And even by that time of year, the amount of, um, of daylight versus night is a little bit more

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<v Billy Newman>balanced out.

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<v Billy Newman>It's kind of tough in January and then through early February, or like it would be in, I

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<v Billy Newman>guess, November or December, but just the, uh, the amount of darkness is just a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>time.

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<v Billy Newman>It's like 14 hours of darkness.

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<v Billy Newman>Uh, so it's a lot of, yeah, it's just a lot of time to be out at night, especially when

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<v Billy Newman>a lot of the activities you're going to do are just going to be really only possible

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<v Billy Newman>in the daytime.

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<v Billy Newman>So I've been kind of trying to shift like a lot of my drive time tonight.

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<v Billy Newman>Um, at least like while it's a safe or not frozen over and not, you know, snowy

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<v Billy Newman>or icy or something like that.

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<v Billy Newman>Not really trying to hit the mountain passes at nighttime, but, uh, I am trying to go

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<v Billy Newman>through and, uh, like, uh, if I have like a long, I don't know, let's say like a four

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<v Billy Newman>hour drive and then I could get to a lake and do part of a day trip activity.

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<v Billy Newman>And then really, I guess, get kind of spent, do a lunch and then, uh, kind of wrap up by

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<v Billy Newman>three o'clock or four o'clock drive back home, arrive by nighttime.

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<v Billy Newman>That's really like a really pretty fully occupied day.

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<v Billy Newman>But what I'm trying to do is yeah, leave early, uh, so that I get some of that drive

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<v Billy Newman>time done in the darkness, you know?

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<v Billy Newman>And like, uh, if it's not getting right out until, I don't know, I guess now it's like

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<v Billy Newman>seven 30, I guess like a deeper in the winter was like almost eight o'clock or it seemed like

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<v Billy Newman>eight 30 or something by the time it would get bright out.

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<v Billy Newman>So I was trying to leave a little bit, uh, a little bit before it was a light out or

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<v Billy Newman>you know, like a ways before it was light out.

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<v Billy Newman>So I could get some drive time done in the darkness or drive time back in the evening,

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<v Billy Newman>uh, in the darkness.

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<v Billy Newman>If I was kind of working the later half of the day, um, but it works kind of good and

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<v Billy Newman>it gives you a little bit more time to be out there.

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<v Billy Newman>You don't have to like feel like you're, you got a rush at five o'clock as it's starting

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<v Billy Newman>to get dark and you can kind of spend more time through the, uh, through the evening

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<v Billy Newman>hours to get some photographs, which has been cool.

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<v Billy Newman>Um, but yeah, doing the drive time stuff in the darkness has been okay.

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<v Billy Newman>It doesn't really work to kind of throw on the, like, I've been trying to like make a

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<v Billy Newman>fire or something.

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<v Billy Newman>If I was camping out, uh, like set up a fire in the dark and then have that kind of going

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<v Billy Newman>for a while.

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<v Billy Newman>That kind of does a bit, but in the rainier weather, not so fun, not easy to keep going,

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<v Billy Newman>not easy to keep maintaining.

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<v Billy Newman>And I, then it's not really that great to even hang out by it a lot of the time, you

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<v Billy Newman>know, if it's wet and stuff, I'd rather just, uh, kind of be a little more protected

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<v Billy Newman>after, uh, after nightfall.

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<v Billy Newman>Um, and then I don't know, like, uh, yeah, it's just kind of tough this time of year.

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<v Billy Newman>So I'm hoping daylight savings time.

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<v Billy Newman>We'll, uh, bring a little bit later evenings into it.

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<v Billy Newman>And then we're kind of getting closer to the equinox by then.

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<v Billy Newman>So we're a little closer to the 12 hours, light 12 hours, dark that we, uh, we get to

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<v Billy Newman>by that time of year.

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<v Billy Newman>Kind of cool.

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<v Billy Newman>I hope it kind of works out for us.

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<v Billy Newman>So, I don't know, it's kind of stuff that I'm up to right now.

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<v Billy Newman>I'm, uh, trying to get set up for like a trip out to the Oahe River out in a deeper

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<v Billy Newman>east of Oregon.

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<v Billy Newman>I think it's like a bit east of, uh, like the Alvord desert that I've talked about before.

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<v Billy Newman>It's sort of pretty far east of Oregon.

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<v Billy Newman>I think the Oahe kind of runs through a good bit of, um, what is it like Southwest Idaho,

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<v Billy Newman>then into Oregon, and then kind of cuts back over into Idaho toward the snake river.

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<v Billy Newman>And then, uh, flows into, I think the snake around that boy, what is it?

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<v Billy Newman>Uh, Ontario out there, maybe somewhere around there, but yeah, it kind of, kind of joins back

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<v Billy Newman>in, but I'm going to go out there and I want to try and check out some stuff, uh, check

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<v Billy Newman>out some campsites and stuff through the winter time.

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<v Billy Newman>It's kind of cool.

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<v Billy Newman>I like that, uh, that area.

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<v Billy Newman>So maybe I'll try and talk about that more next week, but, um, but yeah, until then

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<v Billy Newman>going to wrap up another one of these short episodes of the Billy Newman photo podcast.

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<v Billy Newman>I appreciate you guys checking it out.

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<v Billy Newman>You can go to the website, billynewmanphoto.com to see more information about some of the

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<v Billy Newman>photo stuff I'm up to, some of the quick, uh, blogs I'm writing.

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<v Billy Newman>I have a couple of gear lists put up on the site, a couple of links out to the wedding

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<v Billy Newman>photography business stuff that I'm running and, uh, trying to get some stuff more organized

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<v Billy Newman>and, uh, kind of set up for this year.

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<v Billy Newman>It's weird with the COVID stuff, but, uh, but yeah, the wedding stuff is, uh, kind of

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<v Billy Newman>coming back in and, uh, doing some work on that, doing some other kind of busy work

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<v Billy Newman>stuff, getting things together.

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<v Billy Newman>I'm up to you and some photo stuff I've been working on. I've been trying to do some some stuff

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<v Billy Newman>with some long exposions this last couple weeks which I thought has been pretty fun. It's kind of

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<v Billy Newman>tough in the winter time like probably what you guys probably noticed too as you're out shooting

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<v Billy Newman>around but there's a lot of stuff in the winter time a lot of opportunities but there's sort of

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<v Billy Newman>like limited daylight hours and sometimes without like the for landscape photos if you're going into

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<v Billy Newman>the evergreen locations or into snow there's a lot of stuff you could do but to kind of capture like

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<v Billy Newman>a lot of color in the winter it's kind of tough sometimes it's a problem I have in the the area

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<v Billy Newman>that I'm in a lot too where a lot of the deciduous trees have lost their leaves a lot of the grass or

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<v Billy Newman>the greenery is is kind of dull right now and so a lot of the vegetation stuff is kind of you know

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<v Billy Newman>just not in bloom and so it's not really like that active look that I kind of would hope for

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<v Billy Newman>right now. Sometimes though like out in eastern Oregon or out in some other areas or you know

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<v Billy Newman>like I was seeing in an evergreen forest it's still sort of all year round about the same or

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<v Billy Newman>something but but yeah as it is right now it's kind of cool to take pictures of the water features

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<v Billy Newman>and stuff it's like a lot of the high rains and stuff have come through and then a lot of the ponds

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<v Billy Newman>and lakes and the creeks and stuff are kind of flowing pretty consistently so it's been kind of

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<v Billy Newman>cool to try to take some pictures of that stuff but what I've been working on along with that is

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<v Billy Newman>some long exposure photography and I really like that stuff to kind of pull out more color and more

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<v Billy Newman>I don't know dynamics into the photo especially during times like this in the winter time when

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<v Billy Newman>it's kind of kind of gray and it's sort of a little muted of a lot of the colors or a lot of the dynamics

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<v Billy Newman>that you would kind of want to work with I guess in the summertime or you know more normally

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<v Billy Newman>so I like that the long exposure is kind of all throughout the year but I really do like it

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<v Billy Newman>during this time when you can kind of shoot at the the edges of the day sort of in the magic hour

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<v Billy Newman>the golden hour stretch before sunset and then sort of the blue hour period after sunset or vice versa

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<v Billy Newman>you know at the sunrise times but it's pretty cool trying to use that along with the clouds that are

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<v Billy Newman>pretty permanent fixture here in the in the Oregon area but it's cool if you have kind of broken up

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<v Billy Newman>clouds what's what's awesome about these long exposure effects is that you can leave the shutter

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<v Billy Newman>open for say some 30 seconds and a lot of this stuff I've been working with a Lee big stopper it's

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<v Billy Newman>like a 10 stop ND filter and I've talked about it a couple times on here before but it's a really

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<v Billy Newman>cool filter works really really nicely and it's a 10 stop filter so what you can do is you put that in

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<v Billy Newman>front of the lens and then you rack back your exposure 10 full stops and so what that allows

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<v Billy Newman>you to do is to take these long exposure photographs where you get these these softened skies or softened

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<v Billy Newman>waterscapes you can get that effect during full daylight hours whereas normally you'd be kind of stuck

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<v Billy Newman>doing long exposure stuff just in real low light circumstances and and so that's kind of what's cool

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<v Billy Newman>about is even like a bit into the daytime you know a couple hours before so anytime during the day you

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<v Billy Newman>can use this filter to kind of get these long exposure effects and it's cool yeah when you're

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<v Billy Newman>working in the blue hour range you can get some really long exposures which is pretty cool um but uh

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<v Billy Newman>but that's really good for when it's sort of like a more smooth overcast so you have like a pretty

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<v Billy Newman>consistent amount of light the the sun would still be up but it's sort of occluded by a pretty solid wall of

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<v Billy Newman>clouds and then whatever view you have you have maybe some water element or some mixed kind of

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<v Billy Newman>weather cloud and sky element and uh and with that that lee big stopper you can throw that up in front

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<v Billy Newman>of it drop your your exposure settings down to a point where it's a real slow long exposure and then

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<v Billy Newman>you can capture that drift that the water will have over let's say 30 seconds or a minute of exposure

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<v Billy Newman>or you can capture the drift that the clouds have over say a minute or two minutes or or even

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<v Billy Newman>maybe say five minutes or more of exposure with digital cameras it gets tricky after a couple minutes

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<v Billy Newman>modern ones are better but like noise starts to gather up with with real long exposures um which

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<v Billy Newman>you see sometimes a lot of people do you know um like long exposure uh stuff that works out pretty good

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<v Billy Newman>a lot of the bulb settings on most digital cameras only work up to like 30 seconds um as like an

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<v Billy Newman>automated setting but you if you have like a trigger you can run that shutter for like a longer period of

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<v Billy Newman>time and then have it release i find that most of the stuff i do is fine at around 30 seconds and if

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<v Billy Newman>i have a big stop around there i can kind of adjust that 30 second exposure for any type of light i would

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<v Billy Newman>have during the day even like a lot of circumstances where it'd be like an exposed amount of sun light in

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<v Billy Newman>the area as long as it's not like a direct sun just because it it sort of throws weird light casts

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<v Billy Newman>into the into the way of the lens but uh if you're shooting kind of away from the the sun in a way

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<v Billy Newman>where your camera is sort of shaded and uh and you don't have like a weird light leak situation you

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<v Billy Newman>can you can shoot that in the daytime at like a mixed cloudy landscape sky and get the effects of the

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<v Billy Newman>elite big stopper and it's pretty cool i really like uh like getting to use that and it sort of opens up

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<v Billy Newman>those opportunities that you get at blue hour or uh during golden hour to do some of those long

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<v Billy Newman>exposure sweeping landscape um shots but it's cool yeah working with the water has been pretty cool

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<v Billy Newman>any of those dynamic elements and it's kind of cool to stretch out like the movement of the clouds you

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<v Billy Newman>don't really think about that as a dynamic element a lot of the time but it really does uh kind of look

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<v Billy Newman>surreal adds kind of a softened look to it and it's sort of the long exposures they kind of

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<v Billy Newman>they kind of blur out a lot of the distractions that might be there otherwise so it's kind of fun to

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<v Billy Newman>try and use it and uh it is i don't know it's a part it's part of what i'm up to

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<v Billy Newman>i'm trying to work on some kind of surrealism photos a lot of the time otherwise it's just

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<v Billy Newman>kind of like uh i don't know i'm kind of bored of it otherwise so trying to do some photo stuff

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<v Billy Newman>it's been kind of cool working with the long exposure stuff and uh yeah jumping out to some

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<v Billy Newman>forest areas some some ocean trips that sort of stuff i was talking about kind of that that longer

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<v Billy Newman>camp out trip that i did for a couple days along the coast and then another one kind of like that

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<v Billy Newman>beforehand but right now i'm just kind of up to a couple day trip stuff through the week sort of

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<v Billy Newman>doing some outdoorsy things um trying to uh well that and the weather's kind of back and forth and

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<v Billy Newman>stuff like uh some parts of oregon are getting hit with some pretty cold weather and snow and stuff

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<v Billy Newman>some parts are getting hit with sort of warm coastal weather like uh i don't know it's like 50 degrees

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<v Billy Newman>or something for for some of it but uh and then like yeah i hear about the midwest being down at

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<v Billy Newman>zero degrees or negative 30 or something like that it's a trippy trippy uh winter weather break

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<v Billy Newman>but um i'm trying to go out a little bit and yeah do some day trip stuff so i can shoot over to the

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<v Billy Newman>coast or i can shoot up to some forest service roads and drive around and do some stuff up there

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<v Billy Newman>and uh and that's been pretty cool but i'm looking forward to going out on some longer trips that i

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<v Billy Newman>have planned for march and april and some other stuff kind of stretching out beyond there and i'll

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<v Billy Newman>have a couple things that i'll do probably here through the rest of february i got a couple more weeks

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<v Billy Newman>left uh some projects i gotta get done but uh in there i'm gonna fit in a couple trips out

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<v Billy Newman>to uh to eastern oregon i'm hoping at least uh one trip out there to eastern oregon to get some

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<v Billy Newman>some uh some photo stuff done and i need to try and get some other media video work stuff started

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<v Billy Newman>i gotta try and capture it through the winter before i get out of this season and then i'm kind

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<v Billy Newman>of stuck with just like the spring and summer opportunities which are cool too and i need those

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<v Billy Newman>but i need to get out and do some work right now which is tough i know it's kind of tough getting

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<v Billy Newman>it all in so it's kind of fun but uh having fun uh kind of working on that stuff otherwise i'm just

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<v Billy Newman>kind of working through my gear and kind of packing it it's kind of weird i don't know if you guys go

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<v Billy Newman>through your gear like um like after a trip you kind of like break it down i guess sort of wash it

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<v Billy Newman>out or like fix little stuff that might have like got broken or got messed up or something like that and

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<v Billy Newman>it's always kind of weird doing that after trips and stuff we're kind of restocking and setting up

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<v Billy Newman>but i'm kind of going through and doing that i'm kind of prepping some propane for the heater

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<v Billy Newman>unit i've got i'm getting my hand warmers stacked i'm getting my gloves and my cold weather stuff set

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<v Billy Newman>and i haven't really gone out to the snow much this year you know like up into the hills for

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<v Billy Newman>really anything that's like uh that cold weather so i gotta get used to a little bit it's already

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<v Billy Newman>halfway through february but i'm having a pretty good time uh hanging out here and uh doing some

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<v Billy Newman>photo editing stuff some uh some stuff with these long exposures and i guess that's kind of what i'm

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<v Billy Newman>gonna keep working on i'm hoping to get out to the the redwoods soon and i have a couple ideas

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<v Billy Newman>around some landscape stuff that i want to do out there when i get uh get set up but thanks a lot

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<v Billy Newman>for checking out this episode of the billy newman photo podcast i'm going to do a couple uh kind of

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<v Billy Newman>quick ones for the next week or so but i appreciate you guys tuning in for this uh short little update

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<v Billy Newman>orion the hunter orion is probably what the most famous constellation that there is it's the

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<v Billy Newman>constellation it's orion it's wild yeah orion the hunter a really cool one man beautiful asterism

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<v Billy Newman>probably the the most prominent or dominant thing that you can see in the sky maybe challenged by

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<v Billy Newman>scorpio maybe challenged by the asterism of the big dipper you know ursa major something like that

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<v Billy Newman>but maybe taurus that sort of a thing but really i mean nothing looks like a like a like a stick

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<v Billy Newman>figure of a man the way that orion seems to it seems to shine out amongst everything around it to

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<v Billy Newman>the night sky really one of the coolest ways that uh that it can be seen in the night sky so it's cool

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<v Billy Newman>i think uh what is it like maybe uh maybe right around the beginning of the year sort of right

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<v Billy Newman>around like january 1st is when you'll start seeing them you'll see the orion's belt the asterism of the

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<v Billy Newman>three stars that are sort of compactly a string there making up the the midsection the belt line

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<v Billy Newman>of orion and then the rest of the constellation of the bright star of uh beetle geese or beetlejuice

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<v Billy Newman>i've heard both you know like beetlejuice right like the old beetlejuice cartoon story thing you

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<v Billy Newman>know that the the movie and stuff like the tim burton movie beetlejuice but i think it's it's like

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<v Billy Newman>beetlegeese i never understood how to pronounce it it was kind of right in there i've always kind of

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<v Billy Newman>gone back and forth and then rigel rigel to the south rigel's a cool easy pronounce pronunciation of a

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<v Billy Newman>name but yeah orion it was cool i like that one a lot and then uh yeah so it comes up what is it like

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<v Billy Newman>probably around january 1st or something like that you know sort of like around christmas time or so

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<v Billy Newman>you see uh you see right at sunset you'll probably see a part of orion coming up over the horizon line

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<v Billy Newman>of the area that you're at and then i guess by midnight or so on christmas i think you're supposed

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<v Billy Newman>to get orion um pretty well up toward its zenith position in the night sky maybe i'm kind of twisted

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<v Billy Newman>about that timing it seems like that that might be a little fast for it but it hangs through the

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<v Billy Newman>wintertime that whole that whole way and it's got a ton of those bright stars in it as part of that

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<v Billy Newman>that winter hexagon of stars or those really bright um super bright stars in it you know and then it's

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<v Billy Newman>got a couple cool bright stars in it itself it's got rigel that super bright white star you know a

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<v Billy Newman>white blue star in it i think it's maybe it's maybe it's a maybe it's a main sequence star it seems

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<v Billy Newman>like a super blue white giant or something like that and then you got uh beetlejuice you got the

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<v Billy Newman>other one in there and that's a a really interesting one that uh that looks i think it's like a red

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<v Billy Newman>giant or orange giant it's got to be like a red giant or something like that but yeah that's a

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<v Billy Newman>really cool one too and a beautiful set of stars and stuff and they got like a lot of color to them

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<v Billy Newman>really cool to look at through binoculars or through a telescope uh kind of a lot of interesting

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<v Billy Newman>kind of parts of it so let's kind of pull up some data about orion orion the hunter orion often

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<v Billy Newman>referred to as the hunter is a prominent constellation located on the celestial equator and visible

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<v Billy Newman>throughout the world it is one of the largest most conspicuous and most recognizable constellations in

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<v Billy Newman>the night sky its name refers to orion a hunter in greek mythology orion is bordered by

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<v Billy Newman>taurus to the northwest iridinus to the south lepus to the south montasaurus gemini covering about

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<v Billy Newman>594 square degrees orion ranks 26th of the 88 constellations in size the constellation boundaries

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<v Billy Newman>are set by eugene delaport in 1930 and are defined by a polygon of 26 sides that's fascinating information

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<v Billy Newman>that's kind of the weird stuff is yeah like the the the square footage of the constellation is decided

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<v Billy Newman>sort of like by a cartographer like by a map maker sort of uh lining out the territories of these

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<v Billy Newman>different uh these different terrains and kind of points of stars and stuff and so it's kind of weird

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<v Billy Newman>that they sort of make these polygon shapes and then kind of consider whatever's inside of that

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<v Billy Newman>classified as the constellation now that kind of makes sense because the constellation is sort of a

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<v Billy Newman>region of the sky and then an asterism is like a shape of stars that you see or put together and i

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<v Billy Newman>guess they're sort of conceptually supposed to be different things as you consider them but they're

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<v Billy Newman>not we know what a constellation is it's like hercules the dude hercules you'd call it just a

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<v Billy Newman>flat region of space with different star points in it if you wanted to kind of have us all recognize

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<v Billy Newman>and understand it more geographically you know like we don't really call like a hill point or you know

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<v Billy Newman>like a collection of three or four hill points the name of some hero or the name of some tool or animal

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<v Billy Newman>or you know bird or scorpion or something like that so it's kind of kind of interesting that like the

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<v Billy Newman>the there's so much personality and like human connection to the points of the mythologies and

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<v Billy Newman>some of these stars that's something that i'd actually really like to to drill down in more as a piece of

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<v Billy Newman>research is you know there's so so many things that can be called people and and names and be

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<v Billy Newman>identified and imbued with mythologies and stuff and a lot of things are especially a lot of things

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<v Billy Newman>in nature in ancient cultures but it's sort of strange that specifically so much so it's things

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<v Billy Newman>in the night sky like it was and sort of the fashion that it was it was uh it was you know interactions

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<v Billy Newman>and relationships with people in nature it wasn't so much like things or other stuff like that so it's

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<v Billy Newman>kind of interesting what was selected and what was not selected to be as elements in the night sky

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<v Billy Newman>oddly i think incorrectly like you know whatever was put up in the 17th century those constellations

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<v Billy Newman>that were put together like telescopium and stuff i don't get it um it's weird when you think about it

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<v Billy Newman>i don't think there is a turtle constellation in the sky i don't think there's a frog constellation so

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<v Billy Newman>like no amphibian there's not i mean there might be some reptiles but there's like dragons or snakes or

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<v Billy Newman>like hydras that sort of a thing kind of creepy crawly stuff like uh cancer or scorpio other stuff

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<v Billy Newman>like that but i'm not really sure then like heroes you know like men or like women like queens

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<v Billy Newman>or princesses that sort of stuff it's sort of that that mythological kind of characterization way a lot

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<v Billy Newman>of archetypal stuff it seems like a lot of archetypal expression of uh sort of human thinking stuff but

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<v Billy Newman>it's just sort of weird that it leaned that way and that's sort of what's held and stuck for a long

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<v Billy Newman>time and that's the part of archaeoastronomy that kind of captures me that i'm sort of confused and

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<v Billy Newman>interested by and orion as a constellation is really one of the key kind of thesis points behind

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<v Billy Newman>all of that that you know it's such a characterological representation in the sky of what

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<v Billy Newman>seems like a man kind of there and then you kind of have all this uh i guess sort of human

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<v Billy Newman>interpretation of storytelling a narrative explaining an expression that goes into just looking at this

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<v Billy Newman>pattern of dots in the sky and representing a hero or a man or a story or some like ancient

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<v Billy Newman>battle and sequence and terrain of of life that was something that existed and he's got dogs what

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<v Billy Newman>people have dogs not that not that star weird you know so just people are kind of trippy beings and

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<v Billy Newman>stuff is how they consider stuff and that's the stuff that i really like about space i don't really

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<v Billy Newman>i really you know to be i really don't care that much about specific elements of physics that

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<v Billy Newman>create the elements of space that we're looking at even though that is so fascinating and so much

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<v Billy Newman>the truth of what the experience is of what i'm looking at what i'm seeing you know it's kind of

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<v Billy Newman>that's like the real answer when you look at space you say what is that what is the sun

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<v Billy Newman>well finding out what the sun is made of or how it works or how how the physics of the thing hold

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<v Billy Newman>whatever elements it is together that's really truly fascinating but there's also that other element

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<v Billy Newman>beyond that that's sort of this human element why is it that we even look at it you know as

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<v Billy Newman>people why are we even considering paying all this attention to our psychology and the motion of the

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<v Billy Newman>calendar year it's just sort of a weird thing to try to combine those two it's sort of uh maybe a good

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<v Billy Newman>expression of uh what it is that humans have had to deal with for so long so it's cool orion the hunter

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<v Billy Newman>the constellation

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<v Billy Newman>the constellation

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<v Billy Newman>the constellation

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<v Billy Newman>you

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