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Title: Media Tech Podcast Episode 11: The Film Photography Learning Curve | Shooting Video in Rainy Conditions

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<v Billy Newman>Hello and thank you very much for listening to this Media Tech podcast.

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<v Billy Newman>shoot this is kind of what i'm talking about it's just like well i tried this out it didn't really

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<v Billy Newman>work well and that's the frustrating thing about people that um that want to get into some film

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<v Billy Newman>photography you know it's cool it's cool to pick up an old camera at a flea market something like

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<v Billy Newman>that and then you grab a roll of film where you're going to get i mean where you're going to get a

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<v Billy Newman>higher quality roll right now you kind of have to special order it or just order it on amazon it's

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<v Billy Newman>not that special but you know amazon prime some roll the ektar you know some kind of nicer kodak

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<v Billy Newman>portrait throw it in a fun camera you got you can also probably get that fuji film stuff at a local

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<v Billy Newman>ish place probably most i think you can probably get it at a bigger department store though it's

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<v Billy Newman>rare now i know it's kind of rare but i think you can get like the fuji film 400 in a number of spots

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<v Billy Newman>that's really it though you're not going to get any other kind of film stock just uh publicly out

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<v Billy Newman>you're going to have to go to a camera store if you're in a city you can probably do that otherwise

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<v Billy Newman>and it's still kind of i mean you know like a mid-sized town probably has something but

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<v Billy Newman>it's still sort of sort of special and probably right now it's odd odd to get something like

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<v Billy Newman>that you know during the covid lockdown pandemic stuff i'm sure that's uh limited access so yeah

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<v Billy Newman>online order 15 bucks or 10 bucks or seven bucks something like that to get uh the professional

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<v Billy Newman>film stock and then it's going to be 25 bucks or so like i've just found out to uh to develop that

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<v Billy Newman>roll of 36 frames and it might be that the camera was bad or that something failed or that a battery

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<v Billy Newman>didn't work right or that the meter is blown out now and that all your photos are overexposed

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<v Billy Newman>but i've just heard so many times and have experienced so many times that like uh you know a piece of film

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<v Billy Newman>had failed before it was developed or the exposure process of the film in the camera is messed up in

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<v Billy Newman>some way and therefore doesn't develop properly and then it's like man ouch like you know you're you're in

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<v Billy Newman>it you're in it a bit to find out that i guess it wasn't as satisfying as i thought to get

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<v Billy Newman>this uh role of film developed and that's what i hear about yeah kind of the hobbyists and stuff

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<v Billy Newman>that are kind of getting into some film stuff but if you can and if you can get past that hump it takes

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<v Billy Newman>really about four or five rolls of film uh to sort of get past that that initial hump of what is this

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<v Billy Newman>and what am i doing and what happens when i put it in here and what happens when i take it out

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<v Billy Newman>um if you can kind of kind of think your way through that then you'll be in a good spot that's

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<v Billy Newman>at least how it was for me back when i was trying to get into it was i kind of understood how to

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<v Billy Newman>get the film in get the film going get some shots in uh but but there was definitely like a bit of a

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<v Billy Newman>curve and then when you get the film back is when you kind of discover too oh okay like that's when

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<v Billy Newman>i did this in the photograph and it it worked better or it didn't work or you know like you try and do

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<v Billy Newman>like some exposure compensation thing and it's like oh that was that was too bright and then you learn

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<v Billy Newman>about bracketing or something like how like photojournalists used to do uh back in the day where

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<v Billy Newman>they'd have to like they'd be like i don't know if it's gonna work out right so they'd have to bracket

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<v Billy Newman>an exposure you know uh a bright exposure a mid exposure and a low exposure hoping one of those

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<v Billy Newman>was the properly metered place for that photograph and that's where you get like bracketing systems on

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<v Billy Newman>some of the higher-end professional dslrs now you can kind of go into some of those deeper features

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<v Billy Newman>find bracketing and that's how like hdr photographers uh kind of set up some of the automatic automatic ways

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<v Billy Newman>that they might approach capturing hdr images setting up the bracketing to do something similar

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<v Billy Newman>where they have one one f-stop overexposed one even exposure and then one f-stop underexposed

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<v Billy Newman>i think that's right uh where yeah it's like bright mid and then dark and then they're able

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<v Billy Newman>to combine those tonal ranges to make something that has a higher dynamic range and they use that

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<v Billy Newman>sometimes through a process called bracketing that sort of automates that that exposure change for

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<v Billy Newman>every three frames so you know high mid low and then again high mid low and then again high mid

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<v Billy Newman>and so on uh kind of cool that they yeah that they were doing that but i think that's what they

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<v Billy Newman>would do for some of the action sequences that they would have to do uh some photo journalism in i think

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<v Billy Newman>they use that in vietnam a lot that's sort of what i had understood i know that it existed as a thing

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<v Billy Newman>outside of that but i think it was part of some of the the press and though that were deployed or that

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<v Billy Newman>were what is it embedded with yeah with the military over in vietnam and i think they would use a lot

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<v Billy Newman>of bracketing techniques to try and get uh exposures out of the field i guess it was kind of difficult

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<v Billy Newman>you can imagine right but uh but yeah i think that's like one of the ways that they were able

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<v Billy Newman>to to kind of do that um so yeah bracketing stuff is kind of cool uh or to kind of do that so you can

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<v Billy Newman>see like the the framing or the light in the frame and see like which one exposes better um but yeah

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<v Billy Newman>it was cool going through a bunch of film photographs and stuff going through my uh first

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<v Billy Newman>roll of film out of that uh canon camera has been pretty cool uh it looks nice the scans are nice

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<v Billy Newman>darkroom did a good job the the they look good they're i got like the super fine quality scans

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<v Billy Newman>so i think they're i don't know if they're maybe 12 megapixel something around there maybe a little

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<v Billy Newman>more than that you can kind of zoom into it pretty well and it seems like it would print up to a

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<v Billy Newman>reasonably large size i think it's it's probably like a uh what is it a 24 or 22 inch print

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<v Billy Newman>somewhere around there as i think probably would be well rated too so it's kind of cool i think i'm

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<v Billy Newman>happy with those prints i'm going to try them out in the future i might try out another couple of

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<v Billy Newman>competing film development services to see how those are going and uh see if there's any differences

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<v Billy Newman>or or i don't know use or speed of service or something but really it's so long for me to get a

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<v Billy Newman>roll of film shot through that at least like right now or at least without like some kind of specific

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<v Billy Newman>need of it that hasn't really worried me too much but i do want to go out and uh and try and try and

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<v Billy Newman>work through a roll of film a little bit more specifically that'd be kind of cool i should do

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<v Billy Newman>that on one of these uh real soon upcoming desert trips i've been trying to get out a little bit more

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<v Billy Newman>to some of that stuff so i'll talk about some of the more uh outdoorsy desert stuff coming up here

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<v Billy Newman>real soon too but yeah it's been cool october's a good month and uh you know a lot of stuff going on

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<v Billy Newman>but uh hopeful that uh yeah kind of keeps going through smoothly so i'm gonna try and keep up

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<v Billy Newman>with some camping stuff keep up with some photography and film stuff and yeah editing through a roll of

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<v Billy Newman>film a couple good ones on there i'll talk about some of the specific photos at some time but

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<v Billy Newman>yeah you'll see them around they'll be up on the website at some time but uh but yeah thanks a lot

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<v Billy Newman>for listening to this episode of the billy newman photo podcast you can see more of my work at

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<v Billy Newman>billynewmanphoto.com you can help me uh help me out at billynewmanphoto.com forward slash support

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<v Billy Newman>it's a uh donation based system sort of like patreon there's different levels and stuff if

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<v Billy Newman>you're interested in or you can make any kind of donation or contribution that you would want to

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<v Billy Newman>the podcast and if you're interested go to the about page and you can contact me at my email address

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<v Billy Newman>or through the contact form there i'd love to hear from anybody that's uh bothered to listen to

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<v Billy Newman>and then sort of change with the weather is that the day changes and stuff but that definitely

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<v Billy Newman>happens a lot through september october and the first parts of november where the weather seems

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<v Billy Newman>to kind of flow between what seems like real cold and you're like i don't know the high 40s or

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<v Billy Newman>something and then you can get as high as like the the mid or high 70s in some spots by you know

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<v Billy Newman>certain parts of the day then it'll swing back over and you'll get hailed on or you get rained

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<v Billy Newman>on or something and then it's back to cold so you can get some swings back and forth through the

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<v Billy Newman>day while i've been trying to do some some outdoor stuff and uh like i was out in eastern oregon

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<v Billy Newman>hiking around and stuff and uh there was a bit of rain that was coming down i mean uh like kind of

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<v Billy Newman>a bit of mist in another spot too when uh like i was over in uh sort of a more forest area forested

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<v Billy Newman>area over on the coastal range like i was getting misted on a lot so i was trying to record a video

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<v Billy Newman>trying to have my camera set up on a tripod and you just got kind of this little mist just a little

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<v Billy Newman>bit of a drizzle sort of blowing through and it doesn't really like rain heavy on you but it

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<v Billy Newman>really like collects pretty quickly on your electronics and stuff so you have like a camera

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<v Billy Newman>body and you're just after a couple minutes of being outside like you're like my rain jacket is

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<v Billy Newman>pretty wet i need to go through it's years old now and i need to go through and like scotch guard it i

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<v Billy Newman>think that's what we used to do our tents when i was a kid you know hit it with scotch guard hit it

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<v Billy Newman>with a new layer of the the water repellent stuff it doesn't really bead as well as it used to on the

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<v Billy Newman>exterior it kind of hits and soaks on the top but the gore-tech still keeps you dry underneath

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<v Billy Newman>and but with those cameras though you're just kind of looking at like the back of you know a camera

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<v Billy Newman>it's got a screen it's got a bunch of buttons and stuff and then it's just getting kind of soaked on

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<v Billy Newman>for a while and then also if you're like what i was trying to do if you're trying to record some

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<v Billy Newman>video of the forest trees and there's like a little bit of sprinkle coming through it looks kind of cool

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<v Billy Newman>and misty and stuff but the problem was is that just slowly in over 30 seconds or a minute or so you

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<v Billy Newman>just kind of get this collection of you know little droplets that would start to land on the lens

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<v Billy Newman>and there really wasn't much you could do to stop it a lot of time when you're doing photos like you can

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<v Billy Newman>kind of you can kind of grab your your lens cloth pretty regularly and sort of wipe it down or

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<v Billy Newman>kind of keep it shaded a little bit or keep the the lens you know straight down and then pull up

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<v Billy Newman>kind of quick get a photo then bring it back down with video stuff or when it's kind of set up on

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<v Billy Newman>the tripod it's just going to kind of lay it out there for a longer period of time and then it's

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<v Billy Newman>just kind of gathering the water up on the front of the lens so it was something to kind of deal

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<v Billy Newman>with but it's always sort of frustrating but yeah i have like a little a little lens cloth with me

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<v Billy Newman>most of the time when i'm out and i try and like dab it off or i have like my napkin i try and dab it

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<v Billy Newman>off i remember like years ago um i would uh i remember being like at a waterfall i think it was

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<v Billy Newman>like maybe june or something like that pretty lousy weather day in june i think it was probably a

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<v Billy Newman>little drizzly that day anyway but we were getting kind of close to a waterfall and the idea was to

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<v Billy Newman>you know get up on the gravel bar then there's a pool of water that was sort of blown out from the

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<v Billy Newman>waterfall then the waterfall itself as it went up into the air and then the creek above you know

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<v Billy Newman>that top layer and stuff so what i was trying to do is get to the gravel bar and that's where the

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<v Billy Newman>water comes off hits the pool and then you get a bunch of spray that comes off of that you know

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<v Billy Newman>for 50 feet 100 feet or something like that especially for some of these some of these

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<v Billy Newman>bigger waterfalls and so you set the tripod up there and you try and get your photographs of

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<v Billy Newman>the waterfall you know the water coming down the kind of greenery around that big basin that is

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<v Billy Newman>blown out of the creek over time it's really cool to see but you just get a ton of water wind kind

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<v Billy Newman>of blowing up and landing up on the top of the front of your lens and that would just get like

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<v Billy Newman>really wet i remember my camera being soaked that whole thing of just kind of like trying to like

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<v Billy Newman>taking a soaked like paper towel rag and trying to like dab it over the back of the buttons and stuff

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<v Billy Newman>so i didn't get a bunch of i don't know whatever that would happen from water most of the time

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<v Billy Newman>cameras seem to do pretty well in outdoor kind of light rain circumstances some of the the less

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<v Billy Newman>expensive dslrs have more problems with it uh some of them that i've had had uh like a coating on the

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<v Billy Newman>screen in the back you know like on your color screen that was kind of a problem i remember like

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<v Billy Newman>one time i uh yeah some some amount of water got on the coating on the back of the screen and then

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<v Billy Newman>sort of like i don't know like sunglasses that might have a coating it just had this weird kind of

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<v Billy Newman>oily breakdown in certain parts of it and then and it was like that forever it was okay it ruined

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<v Billy Newman>whatever part of the the screen coating was there that sort of made it sort of that shimmery

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<v Billy Newman>kind of purpley hue that you can get on it a little bit but just that that glossy sheen was was rubbed

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<v Billy Newman>off by like a lot of water that had gone in the back of it and i guess started to erode it or whatever

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<v Billy Newman>it was but yeah it damaged like the the way that the the screen looked for or not the screen look you

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<v Billy Newman>know the color and the stuff was fine but just that top coating of it was dissolved a little bit

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<v Billy Newman>and i've seen that like a few other times you also get like some problems like getting the

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<v Billy Newman>the adhesives wet that are under the rubber of the grips on the camera those will start to come

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<v Billy Newman>up over time i had like a nikon camera that had the grip start to come up because it had gotten wet

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<v Billy Newman>a few too many times from outdoor circumstances like that where it gotten a little drizzled on or

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<v Billy Newman>it gotten blasted with rain a couple times or something like that and just like a lot of use

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<v Billy Newman>you know a little heavy use camera it's gonna come about anyway but it definitely did because it

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<v Billy Newman>was getting wet and it did when it was wet so i noticed that um but yeah like being at the

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<v Billy Newman>waterfall getting slammed with rain and stuff and there's really like nothing you can do but just

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<v Billy Newman>like kind of tuck away you know you kind of turn from your 12 o'clock back over to your six o'clock

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<v Billy Newman>and kind of kind of duck away from the the rain and wind that's blowing at you hide the camera in

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<v Billy Newman>your shirt and kind of wipe it down with your shirt it's like a towel as best you can and then pull it

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<v Billy Newman>back up kind of quick and get your shots your your video or something but really like once the lens

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<v Billy Newman>gets pretty wet it kind of stays pretty wet i remember surf photographers talking about

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<v Billy Newman>and this is when they're in their housing not with like the lens and just the way that it is right

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<v Billy Newman>there but when they're they're with their housing in a wave they'll like take their saliva and they'll

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<v Billy Newman>get it on their fingers it's weird right but because like the water is like kind of making droplets

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<v Billy Newman>on the lens cap or on the hood of the of the enclosure the waterproof enclosure there's kind of that dome

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<v Billy Newman>where the lens would see out of and if that plastic dome gets droplets of water on it

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<v Billy Newman>there'll be droplets of water in the photo so i guess they take saliva put it on their fingers and

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<v Billy Newman>then rub down real quick the front of the lens and i guess kind of i don't know whatever it is

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<v Billy Newman>you can mess around or you can get a high remember like the bpa stuff and all that nasty water

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<v Billy Newman>bottles i remember getting like these water bottles you put a you put water in it and then

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<v Billy Newman>like 10 minutes later it would just leach a bunch of disgusting plastic flavor out of the

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<v Billy Newman>bottle and into your water and then you drink it too oh man 1993 that was gross now none of that

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<v Billy Newman>you know you get the lexan bottles that uh that are bpa free they don't they don't have any of that

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<v Billy Newman>kind of i don't know whatever that runoff or whatever's going on that's uh you're getting

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<v Billy Newman>some petroleum oil or plastic i don't know poly i don't know poly whatever you know up in your up

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<v Billy Newman>in your water but yeah that was terrible i hated the bpa stuff and the flavor and whatever that you

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<v Billy Newman>get from old plastic stuff so thank god that's gone but uh but now with like an algae bottle it's

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<v Billy Newman>really easy you can get a high you can get a cold you can drink out of pretty regularly they kind of

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<v Billy Newman>say you know be careful with uh like aluminums or be careful with plastics uh i guess i don't know

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<v Billy Newman>i guess iron or you know stainless steel is fine or whatever but i'm sure it is or titanium is fine

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<v Billy Newman>or whatever for like the camping forks and spoons and stuff you nibble on um whatever you know like

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<v Billy Newman>copper copper is one you gotta stay away from right but there's still copper food stuff copper

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<v Billy Newman>bottom stuff i think for like uh absorbing heat or whatever i don't know it seems like it's all over

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<v Billy Newman>i remember having a copper pan i was like it was sure coppery on the inside of it so

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<v Billy Newman>who knows how they figured it out but um but yeah a lot of that stuff's working pretty good the jet

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<v Billy Newman>oil's working good for uh for getting stuff hot also kind of getting that for oh yeah just like

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<v Billy Newman>anything you need to get hot really fast it's great to get the water like up and running really hot and

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<v Billy Newman>then i have like another little uh like burner stove thing on the side for if i need it to warm up a

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<v Billy Newman>pan but really a lot of the time i'm kind of trying to avoid that um sort of messy mix-up stuff

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<v Billy Newman>way of going about it it's not really like um really super remote stuff that i've been doing

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<v Billy Newman>so i kind of you know just sort of uh put up with a a very nice sandwich or you know some kind of

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<v Billy Newman>cold cut meal that's not uh not a hot made piece uh of whatever so it's going good but i'm having a

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<v Billy Newman>good time uh yeah kind of traveling around and uh doing some camping out stuff and kind of making

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<v Billy Newman>my way about but um i've been kind of still putting up some black and white photos you guys have

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<v Billy Newman>probably been seeing those on instagram i think i've been putting out a couple a day

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<v Billy Newman>as it goes for black and white images from a collection of photos that i was putting together

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<v Billy Newman>and then i'm also trying to do that screen capture stuff of kind of going over the edits and stuff

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<v Billy Newman>that i was making showing the color version that's showing the conversion over to black and white

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<v Billy Newman>and kind of talking about the process of sort of adjusting and tuning some of that stuff so you

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<v Billy Newman>can check that out that's on youtube that's pretty fun and i think uh some of them are cross

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<v Billy Newman>posted over to facebook or instagram but uh instagram instagram um tv the ig tv stuff has

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<v Billy Newman>some some links and some posts to some of the the the content stuff i've been throwing up there i've

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<v Billy Newman>also had now a couple of these uh these captioned clips go up too i've been trying to throw up some

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<v Billy Newman>captioned clips of the podcast to some different spots and so i've been trying to like caption

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<v Billy Newman>these uh clips of video well how do i say it like i've been taking the audio from the podcast i made

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<v Billy Newman>like this graphic layout for it and then i've been trying to put captions in at the bottom of that

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<v Billy Newman>so that it's like a caption clip of audio from the podcast and uh and then yeah i've had that set up

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<v Billy Newman>clipped it and then put it up into a couple spots on instagram and on facebook and it's working well

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<v Billy Newman>it's kind of cool having some clips of it posted up there some of it's used some of it's seen

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<v Billy Newman>it's uh kind of cool but uh having that stuff sort of set up and scheduled out has been working

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<v Billy Newman>pretty good for me so um up i guess coming up in february i've got like a good bit of stuff going

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<v Billy Newman>up onto the blog as travel stuff goes it's pretty busy it's february though you know so it's like

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<v Billy Newman>pretty wintry and it's been kind of like that a lot this year or you know i'm kind of feeling uh the

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<v Billy Newman>the wintry kind of inside this and that's really why i've been trying to go out and go talk about

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<v Billy Newman>going out and camping and or you know kind of traveling and being out and um trying to get out

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<v Billy Newman>and about and stuff but um but yeah the the the ocean coast stuff has been really cool and then

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<v Billy Newman>kind of through through january it was cool sort of bouncing back and forth from the coast to sort

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<v Billy Newman>of some of those interior forest hills and camps and creeks and stuff so you kind of go down 101 and

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<v Billy Newman>then you find this little town or creek or road or something that kind of cuts back up um to the east of

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<v Billy Newman>the ocean there you know from the west you go inland a little bit up into the hills and then you're

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<v Billy Newman>out into some really cool and pretty remote forest creeks and uh it looks like they're you know great

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<v Billy Newman>spots to go fishing great spots to kind of pull over and do like a car camp kind of thing a lot of

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<v Billy Newman>those are uh kind of break out into public land pretty fast as you sort of go up in the hills and

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<v Billy Newman>the foothills and stuff is the places the side of it and it's cool too even if it's not like a great um

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<v Billy Newman>great camping area some of the areas are pretty populated around some of those waterways

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<v Billy Newman>you know like the water is popular by the coast so you want to be by the river you want to be by

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<v Billy Newman>the creeks and stuff but a lot of those parks are available and open and stuff so it's really cool

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<v Billy Newman>you can kind of camp wherever get back up in your car travel down a ways go up this river you know

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<v Billy Newman>go up go up into this little spot you can find fishing spots you can find little hiking spots or

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<v Billy Newman>hanging out spots or camping spots a lot of time too but but yeah it's been kind of easy to do some

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<v Billy Newman>of that or some of the day trip stuff there's a few wildlife refuges around which are pretty cool like

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<v Billy Newman>on the coast so you can see some of these birds that kind of come in and migrate over to these

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<v Billy Newman>areas along the coastline which is pretty fun to see some of those um those big you know like

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<v Billy Newman>ocean birds they're they're a different type than the geese that we get kind of in the inland

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<v Billy Newman>valley areas and now we're finally starting to see some of the eagles show up and spotting the hawks

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<v Billy Newman>up in the trees for now weeks you know they're up all the time but uh but they're kind of fun to spot

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<v Billy Newman>the eagles though when they move in they're they're like really visible the big bold black body and the

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<v Billy Newman>bright white cap of the head and seeing a lot of those and then also seeing a bunch of the the

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<v Billy Newman>juvenile i know the jacks or like you know it's whatever that it's like a juvenile eagle they're

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<v Billy Newman>kind of big and they're pretty bulky in size but they have sort of a a brown textured feather color

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<v Billy Newman>like they're not they're not black they're not like full uh like that bright black with white head

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<v Billy Newman>mature eagle that we see it sort of looks like a big brown eagle or you know like a golden eagle

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<v Billy Newman>or something that's sort of what it's sometimes kind of i think misinterpreted as i've i've done

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<v Billy Newman>that before too where i think hey is that like a golden eagle or what you know no it's a juvenile

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<v Billy Newman>bald eagle that uh that hasn't grown its white head feathers yet

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<v Billy Newman>bald eagle so you know i've done that you know the nehmeation with white hair teeth that some black

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