WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en Title: The Night Sky Podcast Episode 25: Chasing Comet Neowise in Oregon | Observing Jupiter and Moon Details 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.938 Welcome to The Night Sky Podcast. Astronomy guides, seasonal constellation tracking, planetary observations, and deep sky astrophotography. 00:00:11.938 --> 00:00:15.798 out there. So I was able to find a few of those that were open and travel around on those for a 00:00:15.798 --> 00:00:21.158 while. And that was pretty cool. I was able to find some dispersed campsites and set up right along 00:00:21.158 --> 00:00:25.598 the John Day River, which is really cool. It's a beautiful area out there. It's kind of interesting. 00:00:25.758 --> 00:00:31.278 The John Day River flows through this sort of, I guess it would be, I don't know, it's kind of like 00:00:31.278 --> 00:00:35.538 canyon land. And it's also sort of these rolling grass hills that sort of make up the landscape of 00:00:36.618 --> 00:00:41.858 northern and northeastern Oregon. And I think, yeah, as soon as you kind of get a little bit 00:00:41.858 --> 00:00:48.998 for like a little bit north of Bend is when you get out of the Great Basin area and you start to get 00:00:48.998 --> 00:00:54.258 into another kind of landscape that seems to stretch up north of the Columbia River up into Washington. 00:00:54.258 --> 00:01:02.798 I figured that some of it's from like really old deposits from the river systems and the waterways 00:01:02.798 --> 00:01:09.458 that were up there and how there's old deposits and then erosion that's happened from those rivers 00:01:09.458 --> 00:01:14.438 running through the area for such a long time. But really cool to see kind of the rolling hills and 00:01:14.438 --> 00:01:19.818 then some of the carved out canyons that go through the John Day River area up there. When I found the 00:01:19.818 --> 00:01:24.818 campsite I was at, I was pretty far away from everybody and I was really far away from any 00:01:26.058 --> 00:01:30.818 substantial town. I think it was near, I don't know. I don't even know what it is. There wasn't 00:01:30.818 --> 00:01:35.458 anything there when I drove through. There's a bridge and a couple little ranch houses, you know, 00:01:35.618 --> 00:01:41.258 real ranches, right? Like just a little, a little, a little house, like a little two-bedroom house and 00:01:41.258 --> 00:01:47.478 then 100 acres of cattle to deal with. So it seems, it seems like another life out there. I wonder 00:01:47.478 --> 00:01:51.958 how they're dealing with, you know, kind of the way of the world as things are this summer. But it was 00:01:51.958 --> 00:01:58.198 cool. Yeah, getting out there, went to, or yeah, kind of set up my campsite and stuff, had my truck 00:01:58.198 --> 00:02:04.638 going and that was all pretty easy going. But then I waited till dark after 1030. Yeah, comet 00:02:04.638 --> 00:02:10.438 Neowise is really visible up below the Big Dipper. That was pretty cool to get to see out there in 00:02:10.438 --> 00:02:14.638 Eastern Oregon. Really bright, really clear. You could almost make out the second tail. I had my 00:02:14.638 --> 00:02:22.338 binoculars with me and I think there's some 10 by 42s and those worked really well to view it, to view 00:02:22.338 --> 00:02:28.198 the, the comet, um, looked really crisp through there, through the binoculars and it got really 00:02:28.198 --> 00:02:31.678 easy to spot most of the night. Even just to the naked eye, it was really easy to spot it. Just 00:02:31.678 --> 00:02:36.998 like, oh yeah, it's right there. There's a comet. It's just a, a big wisp in the sky. So it was really 00:02:36.998 --> 00:02:43.178 cool to get to view it. What I did is I set up my tripod and I have my camera with me. And so I set it 00:02:43.178 --> 00:02:48.898 up with a really wide angle and then I was trying to get some photographs of it as it was, as the comet 00:02:48.898 --> 00:02:55.318 was sort of, uh, coming down to set, uh, on the landscape of the hillside, you know, as the hours 00:02:55.318 --> 00:03:00.318 went on into the night. So I think I stayed out until maybe one or two in the morning when the Big 00:03:00.318 --> 00:03:06.418 Dipper was sort of, uh, scooping down a little low onto the horizon. And then at that point, the, the 00:03:06.418 --> 00:03:12.298 place where the comet was dipped below the horizon and then was, uh, out of view for the rest of the 00:03:12.298 --> 00:03:16.898 evening. And I think even into the morning, I think by that time when I was photographing it, 00:03:16.898 --> 00:03:22.098 it wasn't, it wasn't visible any longer, uh, up in the morning sky. I think they said, you know, 00:03:22.178 --> 00:03:27.258 at first and early July, you could kind of view it around Capella. If you were able to get out early 00:03:27.258 --> 00:03:32.858 enough, say three or four in the morning, but as it, as the direction, as it was moving, it was kind 00:03:32.858 --> 00:03:38.038 of creeping up, um, pretty quickly or, you know, day over day over day, it would kind of move a good 00:03:38.038 --> 00:03:42.418 chunk through the sky and, and the direction that it was moving, it was moving to be more visible at 00:03:42.418 --> 00:03:47.498 the nighttime, which really offered more hours of good observation time, which I thought was pretty 00:03:47.498 --> 00:03:53.418 cool, uh, to wait until it was really dark enough in the Northwest, uh, view of the sky, probably 00:03:53.418 --> 00:04:00.958 about 1030 onward is when you're finally able to make out, uh, those kinds of finer points of light 00:04:00.958 --> 00:04:06.578 in the sky in that region. Uh, so it was really cool. Set up the tripod, set up the camera, uh, set up 00:04:06.578 --> 00:04:13.058 some manual focus to, uh, to get it kind of set sharp at night. You can't, you can't use autofocus 00:04:13.058 --> 00:04:17.438 when you're trying to make photographs of the night sky and the stars, cause it just kind of seeks back 00:04:17.438 --> 00:04:24.678 and forth. So you have to set it to manual focus and then, uh, ring out your, um, your focus ring 00:04:24.678 --> 00:04:29.498 to infinity and then just back a little bit. You'll notice this every time if you do it, it's really 00:04:29.498 --> 00:04:34.718 frustrating in the dark cause you can't really always make it out in an easy way and edit your mistake 00:04:35.178 --> 00:04:40.078 quickly. But if you go all the way to infinity and then take fixed pictures there of the night sky, 00:04:40.278 --> 00:04:44.938 you're going to notice that those points of light that are the stars sort of end up a little fuzzy 00:04:44.938 --> 00:04:50.278 and it's because all the way to infinity for whatever reason, just isn't quite in focus at 00:04:50.278 --> 00:04:54.978 infinity. So you have to go to all the way out to infinity and then back it off just a little bit. 00:04:55.258 --> 00:05:01.698 And that'll nearly ensure that most of that part of the image is in focus the whole way. And it's 00:05:01.698 --> 00:05:09.458 difficult, even, even if you do have a F stop, that's a little bit more tightened out, say like an F4 or F6 00:05:09.458 --> 00:05:15.918 or something, you're still going to get a lot of that, that out of focus softness if the focus ring 00:05:15.918 --> 00:05:22.438 isn't really dialed into the right spot. So I tried to work on that a little bit and, uh, yeah, dialed in my 00:05:22.438 --> 00:05:29.478 focus, was able to set it up with a reasonable ISO to get some images of the night sky and pick up some of 00:05:29.478 --> 00:05:33.878 those finer points of light. And then I was able to take a series of photographs, uh, in a few 00:05:33.878 --> 00:05:39.258 different locations out there in the John Day River Valley, uh, which I thought was really cool. 00:05:39.418 --> 00:05:43.558 It was, it was, uh, pretty to be out there and it was a nice night, really warm in the river Canyon 00:05:43.998 --> 00:05:47.658 and, uh, and really remote too. Like I was mentioning, I think I was the only person out there for a few 00:05:47.658 --> 00:05:56.118 miles. I saw another, another group coming in on a, they had like a little midsize, uh, SUV and they 00:05:56.118 --> 00:06:01.098 were going fishing out at a bend in the river, a couple miles up from where I was. So I took my 00:06:01.098 --> 00:06:05.878 truck down a little further and camped out just on the side of the river. It was cool. Nice, uh, 00:06:06.598 --> 00:06:12.238 green river up to the kind of high desert tan rim rock that, uh, runs the area around there. 00:06:12.238 --> 00:06:16.718 Uh, so it was a, it was a cool evening, cool campsite area. It was a cool spot to check out 00:06:16.718 --> 00:06:22.338 Comet Neo wise too. So I tried to check it out, uh, up, up until, I don't know what, you know, 00:06:22.398 --> 00:06:26.678 one 30 in the morning when I couldn't see it anymore. And then, uh, spent the night out there 00:06:26.678 --> 00:06:32.738 out in the John Day River area. And then the next morning got up and try to check out some of the, 00:06:32.898 --> 00:06:38.058 the different roads and stuff that went around in that area. So it was all pretty cool. I was glad I 00:06:38.058 --> 00:06:42.318 was able to get out there and, uh, do some, uh, comet watching over the last. 00:07:10.049 --> 00:07:14.629 really understand all the mercury's movements there's like a different different sets of cycles 00:07:14.629 --> 00:07:19.409 for each of the planets like when they're predicted to show up in the evening versus the morning or 00:07:19.409 --> 00:07:23.029 you know like when they're going to be in position for it now it's more scientifically determined 00:07:23.029 --> 00:07:26.969 about you know based on where their orbits are but in the past there have been all these like 00:07:26.969 --> 00:07:32.969 these little systems and rhythms of like uh you know like a venus has an eight-year cycle of how 00:07:32.969 --> 00:07:37.669 many times it'll show up this many times in the evening during this period of spring in this period 00:07:37.669 --> 00:07:43.069 of fall that sort of thing right and then and then this many times you know in the morning that 00:07:43.069 --> 00:07:47.449 sort of thing it's kind of figured out or it's got this little light clockwork pattern that it does 00:07:48.309 --> 00:07:52.969 and so i think people have been kind of picking up on that for a couple thousand years now but it's 00:07:52.969 --> 00:07:58.389 still interesting to see you know mercury make these kind of interesting motions across the sky 00:07:58.389 --> 00:08:03.409 but it's cool we've been able to observe mercury a few times over uh the last couple weeks and then 00:08:03.409 --> 00:08:08.749 the big one that we've been looking at a lot is uh is jupiter we've been checking jupiter out a lot 00:08:08.749 --> 00:08:13.949 it's been a lot well because it's cool it's up in leo right now and it's just kind of uh straight up 00:08:13.949 --> 00:08:19.589 in the sky i think it's coming up to its zenith point uh which is the highest point in the sky i think 00:08:19.589 --> 00:08:25.699 it's called zenith and a nadir are the two terms so when you look up at the highest point in the sky 00:08:25.699 --> 00:08:30.839 that's the zenith and when you look at the lowest point in that sphere that's the nadir 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:36.419 oh interesting i knew the zenith point i don't know if i was uh as familiar with the nadir though 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:41.239 i think that's what it is is that azimuth i don't know what an azimuth is but that's like 00:08:41.239 --> 00:08:48.069 it's progression from the horizon up to the highest point is that what that is an azimuth the azimuth 00:08:48.069 --> 00:08:53.229 i do not you know i don't know either but we've been looking at jupiter it's high up in the sky and 00:08:53.229 --> 00:09:00.989 it's cool we have a pretty simple telescope but it's very simple it's my telescope from the 90s 00:09:00.989 --> 00:09:06.289 when i was a little kid and we've got it we've got it and uh and it and we've got it set up working 00:09:06.289 --> 00:09:09.689 well enough well first thing we did is we looked at the moon and we've been looking at the moon in a 00:09:09.689 --> 00:09:15.809 couple different phases of its cycle also i think tonight is a full moon it is yeah yeah and it's it's 00:09:15.809 --> 00:09:20.909 going to be over uh close to scorpio tonight that's cool which would be cool too it'll be in a couple 00:09:20.909 --> 00:09:24.909 star or a couple near a couple planets we talk about that a bit too but we've been watching the 00:09:24.909 --> 00:09:29.629 progression of the moon over the last couple nights so the first couple nights that it was um in front 00:09:29.629 --> 00:09:36.289 of or west of jupiter in the sky and then there's a track back uh close to jupiter then right up next 00:09:36.289 --> 00:09:42.949 to jupiter just a couple days ago and then now past jupiter and now over by spica and into scorpio now 00:09:42.949 --> 00:09:47.169 and it's been cool to kind of watch the progression and then watch the phases of the moon as the moon gets 00:09:47.169 --> 00:09:52.229 brighter and brighter and so what we've been trying to do is use this telescope to make observations of 00:09:52.229 --> 00:09:56.329 the moon each night and we've been kind of looking at different things that we you know we're able to 00:09:56.329 --> 00:10:01.569 see and it's cool how you can examine the moon once you have a telescope or once you have a real close 00:10:01.569 --> 00:10:06.269 view of it the different things that you can see it's really interesting seeing uh seeing it in so 00:10:06.269 --> 00:10:13.169 much detail there are so many craters on it yeah so many craters it's difficult to see them you know 00:10:13.169 --> 00:10:18.709 from earth or you can't really find the detail in that way as like a real spherical object that 00:10:18.709 --> 00:10:24.769 you're looking at it's difficult kind of it sometimes just has that pancaked you know circle 00:10:24.769 --> 00:10:29.429 look to it yeah like it's just it's just out there and it exists but you can't really see it yeah 00:10:30.149 --> 00:10:33.869 yeah it was cool so do you remember that first night when we were looking at the moon you could 00:10:33.869 --> 00:10:39.049 see out and then on that meridian line of the day night line that's where you could see that contrast 00:10:39.049 --> 00:10:43.709 in the craters that was there is yeah and it was cool because that's where you get the most 00:10:43.709 --> 00:10:48.489 definition you can you can refine the most but outside of that like once it gets into what would 00:10:48.489 --> 00:10:53.329 be high noon on the moon or what would be just you know the really bright part of it all the shadows 00:10:53.329 --> 00:10:57.969 are flattened out and you can't you can't resolve there's really no definition in it anymore yeah it's 00:10:57.969 --> 00:11:01.869 really strange and so and i remember learning that before that the best time to make observations of 00:11:01.869 --> 00:11:08.709 the moon is is early on or is early into the crater or in its crescent period is a good time to take 00:11:08.709 --> 00:11:13.229 observations of the moon and then as it kind of builds up but during a full moon it ends up being 00:11:13.229 --> 00:11:18.269 more complicated because it's so bleached out it's like we're looking straight down at the moon at high 00:11:18.269 --> 00:11:24.189 noon like it would be light here on earth at high noon there's no shadows to to give any contrast except 00:11:24.189 --> 00:11:29.309 for shadows that point straight down that sort of blur the contrast lines that you'd really want to find 00:11:29.309 --> 00:11:35.369 so it ends up being you know just not as useful like we're looking at when we look at the moon we get 00:11:35.369 --> 00:11:40.609 that that good contrasted viewing right at that day night meridian line wherever the the sunset 00:11:41.169 --> 00:11:45.969 of earth is from the view of the moon which would be cool to see because it would last for a whole day 00:11:45.969 --> 00:11:51.709 it would just be the earth at the edge but there's no atmosphere on the moon so i guess it wouldn't look 00:11:51.709 --> 00:11:56.109 too different but it's cool though to check out the moon you know when we're looking at the little 00:11:56.109 --> 00:12:01.029 craters and then so as you check it the next night you see that the the phase has progressed and that 00:12:01.029 --> 00:12:09.269 you can see and resolve new craters that were now or that were yesterday uh shadowed in the dark side 00:12:09.269 --> 00:12:13.629 of the moon now they've been revealed into light as as the phases of the moon kind of progress so 00:12:13.629 --> 00:12:19.389 it's cool to kind of watch it move on yeah it's been it's been really interesting seeing uh seeing 00:12:19.389 --> 00:12:23.829 changes along the line it's hard kind of like you were just saying that it's we it's hard to map it 00:12:23.829 --> 00:12:27.829 out though or you have to kind of remember where the other ones are because you can't see them 00:12:27.829 --> 00:12:33.489 yeah it moves along we have to yeah we have to kind of place a couple uh good well it's difficult 00:12:33.969 --> 00:12:41.329 understanding first of all the the telescope kind of twisting you upside down and so that's a little 00:12:41.329 --> 00:12:46.489 interesting to to sort of reorient yourself too but then it's best when you can kind of like map 00:12:46.489 --> 00:12:51.769 yourself to a couple landmarks on the moon a couple shapes and i think you can do that as you get more 00:12:51.769 --> 00:12:56.109 used to things or more used to the full moon what you can't you know if you're looking at it in a 00:12:56.109 --> 00:13:01.389 phase you know when we were looking at we have this cool moon globe and so it's a globe like a globe 00:13:01.389 --> 00:13:06.349 of the earth like an atlas of the earth or you know a little globe you know it kind of has the 00:13:06.349 --> 00:13:10.209 the resolution of the the pieces that are around the moon 00:13:10.209 --> 00:13:10.689 you know it's great to see you in the moon a little globe you know it's a long time on the moon a little 00:13:55.570 --> 00:14:00.350 sky yeah yeah we need to we need to look out ahead try and get some programming in 00:14:00.350 --> 00:14:07.890 get some ideas for 2017 sky watching stuff hmm hmm um but yeah it's gonna be really cool i think uh 00:14:07.890 --> 00:14:12.740 getting to try and watch those three things so like the the uh the conjunction of the moon 00:14:12.740 --> 00:14:18.820 and venus or excuse me yeah the moon and venus mercury and regulus and then the moon and 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:22.620 aldebaran tonight i think those three things are going to be kind of cool to check out 00:14:23.590 --> 00:14:27.530 yeah a lot of good stuff to get it'll be cool and then even more than that and this is the other 00:14:27.530 --> 00:14:32.670 thing that we should get into is uh is the delta aquariate meteor shower is going to be going on 00:14:32.670 --> 00:14:37.710 for uh for i think the next few days here i think it's really yeah we've got a couple days left i 00:14:37.710 --> 00:14:43.950 think yeah and then uh i think it'll kind of tail off i'm not sure how they said it's all it's hard 00:14:43.950 --> 00:14:49.930 to tell i don't trust i don't trust the predictions that come out i think the predictions are loose 00:14:49.930 --> 00:14:56.950 predictions a lot of the stuff that i was reading said that predictions are really only roughly it's 00:14:56.950 --> 00:15:05.410 really difficult i think that um this meteor shower that we have going on right now the delta aquariates 00:15:05.410 --> 00:15:12.610 one i think that that was supposed to have started on the 27th yeah it's yesterday and i think that it 00:15:12.610 --> 00:15:18.230 says it's supposed to go till about the 30th but probably a few days into early august yeah so 00:15:19.010 --> 00:15:23.550 given that like because you're right because um the way that i understand it is that there's a ramp 00:15:23.550 --> 00:15:28.190 up and a ramp down from the time that that meteor shower peaks and so that's why this section of 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:32.970 summer is so great to to go out also because you get so many shooting stars during that period because 00:15:32.970 --> 00:15:37.750 we're going to have this uh this ramp up to the delta aquariates which i've seen a lot of good 00:15:37.750 --> 00:15:42.930 meteors out of in the past you know during this time of year it's yeah you'll be able to catch a 00:15:42.930 --> 00:15:47.730 few i think it i think it was maybe like 20 an hour sometimes i think that they always try and 00:15:47.730 --> 00:15:51.990 sell the number like what what's the number that get you out of the house to look at it that's what 00:15:51.990 --> 00:15:56.710 will tell you but i don't know if it's really if it's really known or not i've i've gone out on 00:15:56.710 --> 00:16:00.650 years that were supposed to be great and it was a little bit of a dud it just it just actually 00:16:00.650 --> 00:16:06.550 depends on what random material is floating in front of the atmosphere when our planet runs into it 00:16:06.550 --> 00:16:11.710 yeah it's really difficult to predict they say okay so we'll get to that in a second the prediction 00:16:11.710 --> 00:16:17.480 stuff about about me and your showers is silly or it's just complicated yeah i'm not sure i'm not 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:21.580 sure what they really notice or what would make like it peak or not but the cool thing so like we're 00:16:21.580 --> 00:16:25.620 talking about is we had the delta aquariates which we were out for just a couple nights ago yeah we 00:16:25.620 --> 00:16:30.580 saw a few yeah we were trying to take some some photos some really wide angle photos we used like 00:16:30.580 --> 00:16:35.660 this 10 millimeter lens uh to try and get some of those those uh photos of the milky way that we 00:16:35.660 --> 00:16:39.340 were talking about from the last couple episodes like when we're talking about astrophotography and 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:46.780 wide angle astrophotography using uh high iso high iso on a digital camera with a really wide angle 00:16:46.780 --> 00:16:51.100 with a long exposure and getting a lot of light captured into that sensor so we can make 00:16:51.100 --> 00:16:55.820 these photographs of the milky way looking really crisp or some of the stars that we see in the in 00:16:55.820 --> 00:17:00.180 the night just looking really crisp and and bright still similar to the way that the eye sees it 00:17:00.180 --> 00:17:05.500 it's interesting how that is right how the eye sees uh so much light in the night sky but you know 00:17:05.500 --> 00:17:11.500 a camera sensor it doesn't yeah it's a lot of work to make it get what you see yeah yeah right and to 00:17:11.500 --> 00:17:15.360 capture all that light that we're able to see when we're able to make out the milky way galaxy you have 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:20.800 to leave a shutter open for like 20 or 30 seconds or so to get that same effect and uh so that's kind 00:17:20.800 --> 00:17:26.960 of an interesting thing about how sensitive our our eyes are as a tool to get to see or to get to look 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.840 at stuff but it's really fun trying to work with the camera and trying to to build some of these 00:17:30.840 --> 00:17:33.960 photos i really like some of the stuff that we did because like we were talking about in the last 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:39.500 episode how to spot the galactic center right and like where it is at like the the front end of the 00:17:39.500 --> 00:17:45.140 teapot that's in score or that's in uh sagittarius and at the back end of scorpio uh and so that was 00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:49.840 kind of fun going out and looking at as we look to south this time of year yeah like if it gets a 00:17:49.840 --> 00:17:53.660 little bit late in the night like we were looking at you really see scorpio kind of tilting out 00:17:53.660 --> 00:17:59.040 toward the west quite a bit more than it was just a month ago and then you see the milky way just 00:17:59.040 --> 00:18:04.920 kind of beam straight down due south and drop out past the horizon which is really cool i'm glad 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:09.240 that we get to we get to see it and we got some photos of it which was fun yeah i'm glad we made 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:15.720 it out to that spot we went just a little bit outside of our apartment part of town which is uh 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:21.680 pretty much downtown uh in eugene where we live so there's a lot of light pollution here but we yeah 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:28.600 we drove a little bit out uh just to some country area that's a little ways away and it was great it was 00:18:28.600 --> 00:18:33.460 way better yeah it always is we we should all you know we'll try and do that as much as we can 00:18:33.460 --> 00:18:37.260 that's what was great about growing up in southern oregon and i was thinking about this now too and 00:18:37.260 --> 00:18:41.840 what most people probably never had was that like it's you know that area in southern oregon where we 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:47.300 went to to look out to the southern sky there if you think about it there are no other cities there 00:18:47.300 --> 00:18:53.360 south for almost ever right like you think about that section of the earth the geography of where 00:18:53.360 --> 00:18:58.700 southern oregon is and past that there's you know there's murphy which is not but it's really it's 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:03.100 just the hills it's just those big hills that yeah there's a development that redwood curtains out 00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:07.200 there have you heard of that before the redwood curtain i don't know if i have is that i guess 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:13.140 where the redwoods sort of basically it's sort of uh it's sort of this term for the geology of that 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:18.960 area how uh you go down you follow the i-5 corridor it goes all the way down to southern oregon 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.100 and then it just gets into this really intense mountainous terrain that's up and down and up and 00:19:25.100 --> 00:19:28.500 down that we don't really have in the rest of like up here we have the willamette valley it's this big 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:33.480 wide expansive stuff there's not there's a mountain range over to the to the west the coastal range but 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:39.440 that's not as big and so that area of southern oregon you know by the rogue river where all those 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:44.900 hills are there and then down into the redwoods and into northern california and like into the 00:19:44.900 --> 00:19:50.620 trinity alps where we were that whole area is all mountainous terrain it's built up in that section 00:19:50.620 --> 00:19:55.200 and that's what kind of blocked off a lot of development in northern california 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