Oregon Public Land Reopenings
Billy Newman Photo Podcast | 145 Oregon Public Land Reopenings
15 degree sleeping bags. Down vs synthetic. Fishing for Trout on a bridge. Morning light, easy light. Oregon public land. National forest land open. Trailheads begin to reopen.
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Hello, thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast recorded on May 11, 2020. How’s it going? Thanks for checking this one. I finished up that camping trip I was doing up the mountain Creek there in the Cascades a couple days ago. What was that like Wednesday, I think it was like maybe like Tuesday, Tuesday night to Wednesday morning. I think that was the super moon that was coming up that night. If I remember right, and that was pretty cool. It was cool to see the full moon up there. And they always talk about the Super Moon, which is kind of a, I don’t know, it’s a little bit of a misnomer. But it’s, it’s cool to see to that thing to talk about happening every six months or so. Really, it’s just kind of the oscillation of a bit of the eccentricities in the orbit of the moon that make it I think about 25,000 miles closer than its maximum, and then maybe about 25,000 miles further away. And it’s distant maximum. But I think it’s really only like a little bit of a sliver larger than it normally would be. If you notice though, it’s a thing I learned way back. And I think that they show it at a scene in Apollo 13. But if you put your hand all the way out and you put your thumb up at all times, you’re able to cover the entire Full Moon, just with your thumbnail. It’s pretty wild, man, you can always like visualize the moon is being this really big thing in the sky. And really a lot of the time it’s, it’s just as big as your thumbnail it at arm’s reach, which is kind of a trip. But it was kind of it was cool to see the supermoon that night was really bright, it was cool to kind of watch around and kind of LIGO was illuminating the forest and the trees and the mountains and stuff around me. That was kind of nice to see. Cold that night, though. Man, I tell you so have a 15 degree sleeping bag. And that’s great. 15 degrees is fine. But envision degrees really is more than adequate for most circumstances that I ended up being in during the summertime. Where it’s done, I was just not too big of a concern about how cold it gets. But when is this 15 degrees really means you’re going to be comfortable down to somewhere around 35 degrees, but anywhere under 30 degrees is a pretty uncomfortable experience, I think it means you’re going to stay alive. That until it’s about 15 degrees. So if it were me again, buying something for maybe I don’t know, a more heavy three season camping experience most of the time, probably a lot of the nights out that I do. Even though I like to go at all times a year, it seems like the majority of nights I go out or during the summer months or you know during like pretty fair weather seasons. But if I were going to buy again, which I’m going to try and get like a two or three sleeping bag system going, if I was going to buy again, I probably get a zero degree or maybe a negative 15 degree. And I could really use the warm because man, what I noticed is even if it was just a little bit down to what would have been probably, maybe, I don’t know, 29 or something like that it was you know, as a bit below freezing. Who knows how cold it really was, it was only like an elevation of 2500 feet and it was a canyon. I thought it was a clear night, but I thought it would be relatively sheltered. And yeah, it was a lot of it was a lot of ice on my window when I woke up. And it was a cold, cold night to sit through too. So. So yeah, that 15 degree bag was was just holding up out there. But yeah, if I was gonna go again, I think they have like a zero degree bag. And then down below that they had like a negative 15 and then maybe like a negative 30 degree bag. Negative 30 sounds like a real warm, like down bag. So I think mine’s a synthetic bag. They talk about this sometimes where there’s like differences in the thermal insulation qualities of the material that your sleeping bag is made out of. And I think that the for it was it was an improvement actually, you know, above whatever whatever cotton we were using for a while they were using wool stuff, which was pretty smart I that that works really well to to be an insulating material. And it doesn’t. Alright, that works well with moisture and stuff and all the other things we know about. merino wool is really cool. Everybody knows about that kind of stuff but but we had like, you know, those really terrible big cotton sleeping bags way back. Those arrived. I don’t know if they were really even that insulating. Then they switched over to those synthetic materials, which is probably all oil based. Does that sound right? Like a petroleum based plastics product that was made out of synthetics. I think that’s how they spin up a lot of those. Those Biologists those synthetic types of materials that they’re making these nylons out of.
So I think that was how a lot of this, this synthetic stuff had been made. But really, I think what they they talk about being the superior insulator is down. And that’s what I’d hoped to try and find as another zero degree or negative 15 degree sleeping bag would be a negative 15 degree down bag, which is normally a bit more expensive. You know, when you’re looking around at the price points for these different sleeping bags, if you’re trying to get into some colder weather camping stuff, where you’re gonna find is it those name brand or land even name brand, necessarily, but just a bespoke manufacturer for quality, technical outdoors product is going to be very expensive. And so that’s where you’re gonna find. I don’t know whether you know, 399 for a sleeping bag. 299-490-9699 I’ve seen like a lot of pretty expensive prices out there. I think NEEMO makes some bags that are looking pretty cool that I’ve seen recommended a few times. I’ve heard a big Agnus. They make 10s most of the time though, right? They’re 10 company, aren’t they? Yeah, stone glaciers one that I keep hearing kind of pop up here and there. Now, for some sense. Marmon, I think has bags. Alright guys, is you know, a retailer of recreational equipment. They’re closed right now though. So I don’t even know if you get an order from anyone like that, but, but they have some bags, I think that’s where my synthetic bag was from, that I’ve been using for the last, I don’t know, seven years or so. So that’s, it’s been fine. But I also tested out the sleeping mat I got I got a new Thermarest sleeping mat. And now big news. It’s pretty exciting. Guys, stay tuned. It’s a Yeah, it’s a larger sleeping mat than I had before. But it’s a it’s a coated one with I think it’s kind of like it’s ballistic now. But it’s that nylon coating over it. So it’s not just the rubber mat at the base of it. So you can throw it on the ground or on the barrel, semi abrasive materials that it would be outside and is working great. I think it’s about one inch thick or so it’s about 25 inches wide at the shoulder point is long enough to fit my whole body, which is probably the one for me. So yeah, I got a solid camp man. I think for the last three years, I’ve been sleeping on one that goes flat about four hours after you start sleeping. So that’s kind of nice to swap out. I don’t know why I put up with so long really shouldn’t do that. Sleep is like one of the best things you can get, you know, if you can figure out just like a couple easy things to take care of when you’re out camping or out in the woods and stuff. It’s probably sleep. I mean, that’s like the thing that takes and it’s frustrating, because like even this last one I’m talking about, didn’t sleep very well, way too cold part of it, you know, no shelter and enough stuff that was kind of comfortable. But really as it is, yeah, it’s like I need to, I need to figure out a couple other extra things to kind of throw in there. But yeah, there’s just a couple things you can figure out when you’re going camping, like how to stay warm, or how to be comfortable when you do go. Or like when you are sleeping is like one of the most important and most, I don’t know, effective things you can do to kind of improve the way that a trip goes. Because like, I can be like I can be brutal the next day if you don’t get any sleep the night before. We just have probably the first half a dozen camping trips of the year. You know those first half dozen or so overnights of the year. I’m just always kind of groggy and like what I have to get up right now. We just sort out was Wednesday morning when I woke up. I popped up. And I think it was probably about 5am so that I that I got up I think it was just about first light. The sun had come up Yeah, but there’s a little bit of light up in the sky, and the stars were kind of washed out by the blue sky. So I have to up and the fire was out. I think from the night before like I was mentioning how those the sticks had worn out and the coals that started burning down even I think by the time I was near the end of my last podcast. I hopped out, and the back windows were clear. There wasn’t any frost on it. But the front window the windshield was ice over pretty hard really. I mean it looked like it was, you know, like coated or water and then froze over solid. So it wasn’t even just kind of like a fluffy bit of white frost or something that had built up on it through fog. It just look like a hard coating of just an ice sheet over the windshield. Great. I don’t have a nice grape or something with me. I’m thinking that it’s me now. Who needs an ice-scraper. I’m taking a sip of coffee.
So yeah, I don’t know. I grabbed a box. I think it was a Visa card. are bored out of the bag, but I could kind of flex around a bit through that over the windshield, try to run the truck for a bit try to warm it up and took a while to but yeah scraped off some ice scraped out of the hole big enough to kind of get started on the drive and then prepped to take off but yeah, take some photos and stuff around the campsite for a bit first in the morning. Nice draw in the valley like I was talking about that goes up to that that ridge point that you can kind of see off in the distance and I think I could see like the the fire from the smoke or the smoke from the fire of the neighboring campers over there. I don’t know if I’d mentioned it well Yeah, I definitely didn’t the last one. They were they’re kind of doing Brody’s out in the on the road. Around sunset. I think I got a little clip of it on video. But yeah, it’s like four or five of them. And he’s kind of beater late 90s for about four trucks doing spins out in the dirt roads. So it looks fun, I don’t know. But they were getting getting the fire going and stuff in the morning to or whatever they had gone from the night before. You can see a plume of it coming up from the area they would have been camping over by the creek bed down hill. And yeah, it was cool. took some photos and stuff that morning, walked around kind of cleaned up the camp a little bit. But the fire stuff out and jumped in the truck, had that little hole in the ice to see through. And then yeah, popped on a podcast and cruised down the road. And so what I was trying to do was was take off down to a couple other spots along the creek while it was still morning and then head down ultimately to the area where the lake it started to build up. And so kind of how it works is like it kind of flows down the creek. And then there’s a dam at a point ultimately, and then back right behind the dam is a reservoir where that Greek is kind of built up. And I guess now is Yeah, body of water out there. So drove down a ways and took some photographs of the creek and the morning light and some of the water and stuff coming through. I really like that kind of affected the sort of early spring, kind of fresh snowmelt mountain Creek stuff that just sort of looks really crisp and forested and natural. And then it came down a ways further to a bridge that kind of cuts across the span of the creek as it starts to sort of widen out into the reservoir area. And it looks like, you know, a big stretch of calm water out on the edge of the bridge where I think two different groups that were doing some fishing in the morning. And yeah, it seems like people are still out. It was a busy area up there is still still definitely pretty fully populated set of people. You know, even during this lockdown period, there was a bunch of people out there hanging out and fishing. I think it was too different. The different groups to maybe they were they were all kind of connected. But yeah, they were they’re out there with a couple lines over the bridge. And they were picking up a couple things, I think so I saw a lady that was pulling up and a little a little blue kayak to the ramp on the first day. And on her What is that thing you know, when you you ran it through the gilling you got the fish and stuff anyway, she pulled up with like guns like four or five trout or something on her
on her
inner guy, that’s where it Leave it, I guess, but she pulled up before if I tried. So I figured you guys, these guys were doing a little bit of trout fishing out there. Which sounds fun. It’s a nice, clear, crisp morning and stuff like I was saying. So yeah, it sounds like it’d be nice to be out there for a couple hours doing sufficient. And yeah, it looked like they were they were up to what they were getting a couple things. Let’s go to a sound ospreay that the took off, I think over the lake area just at that time. And we kind of like pull up at certain spots over the water, kind of back flap to hold in the same spot, look underwater and see if there’s something I didn’t see enough, or I didn’t see a prime opportunity. And then we’re going to swoop off and then take off to a different section of the lake, then do it again. So watch that about three or four times, try to take a couple pictures of the area. What’s your nice do I like the photographs that I got that morning, it’s good to get a nice a nice look to it really, you know, a lot of the time that the photographs really look a lot better when you just select the right time of day to be somewhere which you know, is obvious, but just the types of colors and the types of saturation and dynamics that you get in the look of a pretty simple, you know, set of trees and water, it just comes off a lot better when it’s just the right type of light. It’s really amazing to to kind of see what differences it makes when it’s a cloudy day or a sunny day or a morning or an evening or midday. Really, it seems like the dynamics of the light change so much that you can get like a totally different look in the photo, which is always kind of interesting to pay attention to and sort of see how that how that goes, What changes about it and sort of how that affects the photographs that you’re making. I mean you can edit you know some cool at any time of day but you It’s kind of cool to figure out how it works for you or how it works, or what I’m trying to do is how to figure out how, how it works for my photographs and what I’m trying to do. Which is nice. It was cool going out there and climbing around the creeks and stuff in the morning and taking a cup of photos and water nice, Brian, going over to the Lake area that’s trying to work on similar stuff to what I’ve done before, but kind of that mirror look of that really calm water as it spreads across the lake in the morning. And then the reflection of the bright blue, kind of pre sunlit sky, or how’s it you know, like before the sun is actually up over the horizon, there’s not a lot of intensity. So it’s just kind of a softer blue glow and a lot of ways. And then there’s still enough illumination that you can see the greens and the trees and sort of the soft calm water in the morning before it gets kind of agitated through the rest of the day. So nice kind of peaceful looks to the photos and sort of the the natural stuff that I like to go kind of capture. You know, really, ultimately, though, there’s some nice stuff up there. And I was really like, happy to kind of photograph some of the some of what I was looking for. But I was also also frustrated in the area too. I think there was a there’s a little more choked off than what I normally like. Like, there wasn’t as many opportunities as I had hoped for I did try to, you know, utilize the ones that I found. But there wasn’t as many opportunities as I had hoped for for kind of an opened up wide scene that you could set up a landscape photo and there wasn’t a lot of elements to really work with, it was just sort of like some rolling hills off to a Green Hill. So. So sometimes I’m trying to find some stuff that’s a little bit more dynamic, and it look than that. But it was fun, though, even is anyway. Though, I’m trying to think maybe, like I was mentioned on last when I got stuck and turned around, but the snow and I didn’t want to deal with any of that right now. But in the next weeks and stuff, I want to get up to Mount Jefferson or Mount Washington or a couple of these other wilderness areas that that have a few kind of visual landmarks that would be worth taking an observation of. And you know, this other thing I want to bring up? Maybe I could talk about it here. Where is it? I think that it was on Oregon live. So there’s the Oregonian, the Oregon newspaper here at a Portland I suppose, right? Or is it the state newspaper?
I think it’s the Portland none. But Oregon live comm there was a news article that I was gonna check out says, What outdoor spaces have reopened in Oregon, which are still closed, published on May 8. And I was gonna check out a couple little pieces in here. But it does a good job. If you if you look this one up. It does a good enough job though it also has a little bit of sly language. And well, I’ll tell you kind of like I’d been mentioned in the last couple of times, there is a bit of language that is meant for the initiated in this sort of thing. So it’ll say you can’t do things. Sometimes you can do those things. So you might have to check with them each kind of local area to see what your access to the lands are in that area. But But this article is the first one that I’ve seen in a while that actually goes through and seems to make a comment a little bit more specifically about different sections of land that are going to be open and what types of facilities are going to reopen in that area. And what are what is not going to, you know, like a visitor center is going to stay close, but maybe like the restrooms will be open or, or all of that sort of stuff is closed, but the trails are open. So let’s see what we got. I think in this is Oregon State Parks are going to gradually reopen. And I bet that’s gonna take a while it says all campgrounds are going to remain close. I was looking at Wildlife Refuge areas like the one that’s south of where we are. I think there’s one there’s another one north of us too. Those are I think they visited centers are listed as being closed. But the lands themselves are open. So if there’s like a parking lot area where people will congregate, they might have gated that off. But the land itself is open to do hiking, I suppose. So you can do the Hanceville. And in Oregon, there’s no there’s no mask requirement as issued by the governor. I think there is a mask consideration request that has been made, then private businesses can add that as a requirement to do business with them. But outside you can choose to walk around without one. I think there was a mention that, you know, there’s a measure of Dr. Fauci saying that if you were in and out area, it might not be necessary to wear a mask any longer, which I don’t know. We’ll see it. Pick it up. It’s fortunate that in this area, at least there’s a lower caseload than probably a lot of the parts of the world. I think it says over in the Oregon coast, which has been kind of a hotspot when it was talking about land access. A lot of those beach towns didn’t really want to have to deal with people from Portland shooting over and taking a beach vacation and getting them sick I think was sort of the idea or overrunning their facilities and in their ability to handle it. So I think a lot of those things that still been shut down, but I think there is some of the same that like beaches are technically open in Oregon. But all public access points are managed by the Oregon Parks and recreation department are closed until further notice. Well, Cannon Beach has banned visitors through at least June 2. seaside has entirely closed its beaches to the public. Tillamook County has closed all beach access points and parking lots. Lincoln County from Lincoln city to yachts, has temporarily banned short term vacation rentals. county parks have reopened enqueues and Douglas counties this summer only open for residents and some public health restrictions still apply. Columbia River Gorge virtually all recreation areas in the Columbia River Gorge remain closed, including state parks in both Oregon and Washington. All US Forest Service lands in the Columbia Gorge is closed, including wilderness areas really wow. That’s one of the most strict closures that there are. It must be to really just control like the population of Portland going out and do an ageing which is strange man if you want to do a two hour drive you got everything open to you but less than that it’s closed. Some recreation sites are still open at the Bonneville, the Dow’s and the john de dams. Some recreation sites are open at the Bonneville the downs and the john de dams. Well, at least those are open. Everybody go recreate at the dams? Why are those open? Everybody was gonna the john de damp the recreation centers open mountain hood all developed recreation areas on Mount Hood are currently close to the public including all trailheads boat ramps, day-use sites, snow parks and campgrounds, Forest Service roads and dispersed areas are open to the public as well as trails not accessed by developed trailheads Yeah, so that was one of those those tickets where the governor has close to trailheads. Oh, trailheads, okay, well, so any any strange technical way It means that the trails are open. If you are able to park
off the trailhead, and then access the trail by going back and tree right, you know, cutting over to the side, and then getting onto the trailhead by going around or getting onto the trail by going around the trailhead. You are following the law. ski resorts are now allowed to reopen. Hey, great may 15, or get getting some scheme, though so far only Timberline Lodge has announced it will do so for now Timberline Lodge remains closed. Okay, well, yeah, there you go. national forests. Here’s the ticket. All developed recreation areas in most of Oregon and Washington National Forest are closed to the public recreation areas. Okay, so that means like a developed kind of structured site. Or does it What does it say here, including all trailheads, boat ramps de use sites, snow parks, and campgrounds, the US Forest Service has announced it will begin a phased reopening of those sides. The no timeline has been made public Forest Service roads and dispersed areas are open to the public, as well as trails not accessed by developed trailheads. Hunting and fishing is allowed in undeveloped areas. Well, there you go. So really, yeah, so this is one of those things that is how would you say like a dog whistle to the initiated, as that says to you, or maybe not you you’re probably the initiated, right? You’re listening to this podcast. That’s the secrets. So yeah, when it’s talking about that stuff, it’s kind of a little bit of a, I don’t know, a layman’s trick or something. I think it’s saying like, Oh, yeah, it’s close, like recreation sites are closed or trailheads are closed or visitor centers are closed, like, that’s what anybody cares about when they’re going out to a wilderness area. So it might mean that a bathroom is closed or that it’s not been cleaned, but If you’re going for a remote or dispersed forest experience, those are all still as open as they ever would have been. Because I think they’re your public lands, you know, you have access to those kind of places. That’s where it seemed like dispersed camping, hunting and fishing is still available. Forest Service roads are still open to be traveled on. But really, when it’s saying like a recreation site is closed, I think it’s talking about a developed Forest Service campground, a developed Forest Service like bathroom where they use site like it was saying a snow Park site where you’d have a parking lot and a congregation of people or a trailhead site where there’s a parking lot, and a congregation of people. Normally those places that have like, some kind of day-use parking pass for you know, give $2 to an envelope and put it in a box or something. That kind of places I think still remain close, but those lands are still open. And it is a little bit more complicated, kind of on the coastal side of the cascade side besides you get out in the Eastern Oregon a lot of those Forest Service lands you know, the the national forest land, or BLM land is just so wide open, as in there’s just like, it’s just, it’s just wide-open landscape that it’s, it’s pretty accessible. You can go to a lot of places out there, like the john de dam, go hang out there. Let’s see back to this. It says the Umpqua National Forest will reopen most of its boat ramps and trailheads. On May 9, the trailhead to Umpqua hot springs remains closed as we talk about unquote hot springs the last time remaining closed I guess this hot springs would probably mean that’d be gross like hey, I wonder I wonder the person in this hot spring before me I COVID Oh, that’s gonna be a great thought for the next year I’m quite National Forest on May 9 that means it’s already open for like two days now. People can trailhead and and boat ramp all they want to wow I wonder how that’s gonna do for like river recreation stuff that’s just kind of interesting how it’s working. Let’s see what do we have? There’s like some other stuff national parks. Crater Lake National Park is currently close to the public as well as john day fossil bets Lewis and Clark National Historic Park tours at the Oregon caves National Monument not tours at the Oregon caves National Monument are closed, but hiking trails remain open. Well, that makes sense. Yeah, the Oregon caves down outside of the cave junction in Southern Oregon. I’ve been there a few times for field trips and like the seventh grade and whatnot. Really should go again as an adult. I don’t really have a clear memory of how cool it might be. I think it was a I mean, it’s a national monument. Right? It’s got to be something cool. So yeah, the tours are closed. I remember that was kind of the thing I was always bummed about is like the lava the lava caves, you can go to an Eastern Oregon. Those are open you just be just drive up and walk in yourself and
you should bring a flashlight, you know, it’s up to you. The the caves that the caves in outside of cave junction. at the Oregon caves, I don’t know. It’s just too on rails. It was just too much of like a 45 minute tour, and then you’ll leave, which I’ve never really preferred even as a kid. But as you go, not be any cake because I bet they treat you with kid gloves when you’re 10. Hiking trails remain open out there. Well, that’s good. Metro parks Oregon State Forest day-use areas campgrounds and restrooms are closed. In Oregon State forests, though dispersed camping trails and target shooting remain open. State Forest officials have asked that people delay travel as much as possible. Let me check that again. State Forest officials have asked that people delay travel as much as possible. Have they asked that maybe they have out there? I don’t know if they have the right to do that. Again, I think that’s kind of speaking to the uninitiated in that setting. So I think if you have a hunting license or a fishing license, or you’re actively participating in a planned event, I think like there’s bear season still turkey season, maybe that’s and ended. But I think there was like a spring bear hunt that it opened up. And there’s open open season and whatever else. And I think that those were dispersed experiences like that were still acceptable. So I don’t know if they have the right to ask you to not attend your public lands. It’s sort of one of those things I’m talking about, again, where it’s like, well, but they’re not in charge of it. They’re in charge of managing it for you, but they’re not in charge of it. Wildlife Refuges. Wildlife Refuges managed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service remain open to the public. It says the parking lots access points and visitor centers may be closed. I was kind of what I experienced when I went out to the Finley Wildlife Refuge south of Corvallis here, and it’s a big area where like Canadian geese, and elk and birds of other types rest up. I guess during the winter, it’s just sort of I guess technically it would have reopened or more open access to the public on April 1, but due to the Coronavirus stuff, it had been kind of closed. And I think at first they were putting up some signs that said, like, hey, the governor said that this is closed, but I don’t think they said that. So I think really, it was just at the visitor center. That was a section of that, though, no one really cared. I mean, I want to see the wildlife I want to see the visitor center that that Visitor Center was closed, it also closed a gate that goes to Well, it’s really just a road the drive-thru, but I guess that would go to a more congregated parking lot area. So that had been closed, but people have been parking on the outside of that and then walking in because they have right to their public land. Which is cool. Yeah, you can go in there. And it’s a beautiful spot. You can kind of hike around through there. There’s a bunch of trails, and it’s a pretty remote area, or, you know, just as it is, it’s not a lot of people that are trying to occupy it. And given that it’s a wildlife refuge. There’s just a density of wildlife that’s collected there. That’s pretty cool to check out. You know, there’s a lot of I think that’s where we saw an elk a couple weeks ago. Before that, we’d seen a coyote walking around out there we kind of I bought a bunch of bald eagles and a bunch of hawks and what else has been out there? A lot. So what was out there a couple weeks ago that biplane was out there a couple of weeks ago. That’s where I was checking that out. So yeah, wildlife refuges, I guess, remain open to the public. For a lot of access points. I was looking at that there’s like no wildlife refuge, land allocated in Southern Oregon as I was kind of looking through there. I think there’s one just south of here and one just north of here near Salem. And then there’s like a bunch of along the coast. There’s a bunch over in Eastern Oregon a lot up along the Columbia River, but there’s nothing at all in Southern Oregon. To know I live down there, I guess. BLM land, I think we’re wrapping it up here. This is near the end. Thanks for reading an article. BLM land most day you sites and many restrooms on Bureau of Land Management land are closed to the public, as well as all campgrounds, visitors are instructed to contact local BLM offices for specific closure details. The acquaint ahead outstanding natural area and Oregon Trail interpretive center remain closed. Mount sounds like they’re saying that it’s closed. Many restrooms on Bureau of Land Management land are close to the public as well as campgrounds.
Okay. Yeah, so
I think that when they’re talking about campgrounds, and restrooms, I think, again, they’re talking about the develop locations that would be at, like congregation points, that would be kind of more similar to where you’d be like, you know, just like a campground kind of thing. But any of these dispersed locations are still available to the public. And when I was up on the, like I was saying, when I was out into the national forest land, as soon as you get to the area where you’re in national forest and camping is allowed off the road. There’s these fairings and campsites built up just off the side of the road. And those were all loaded up. All of them had an RV or a fifth wheel or trailer or a truck content and stuff set up with a bunch of wood and people hanging out there for what seemed like a setup for three or four or five days or something. So it seemed like there’s a lot of locations that are like that across Oregon. earlier in the month, early in April, when I went out to Eastern Oregon, I was checking out an area to camp out there that is normally way remote, you know, you’d only see people kind of backed up in there during a hunting season or something. And it was loaded up, you know, just early April, it was loaded out. And I think it’s because out of all the millions of people out there, and all these people that have been set aside as non essential workers with a lot of time I mean, you know, for millions and millions of them, they’re staying home and for maybe, I don’t know, 80,000 people or something, they’re all taking their trucks and going out and that 80,000 people is enough to fill up the 5000 good spots that seem to be spread across some of that remote land out there. So it’s kind of funny to see sort of where people are lining up and how things are going. And then I’m one of them too, right. You know, I got the time, and I’m trying to go out and try to check out some of these still open areas. So it’s cool that we’re getting to phase one of the reopening process. Hopefully, people are in a good place for that as we’re coming into the middle of May and then Memorial Day weekend and some of the kind of onset of the summer season stuff. I think that it’ll be good to have a more reopened kind of vibe of it going on then, man could you imagine staying close through Memorial Day. You can go out you can do some river stuff or something. stuff or some land stuff, any of that kind of outdoor stuff that I’d want to do. It’d be terrible if it was, if it was shut down to me. So I’m glad it’s open and available to us. And yeah, thanks for going through. And looking at some land access that we have across Oregon as we start to reopen into phase one. They sort of, I guess, listening through some sleeping through a cold night and taking photos in the morning stories from the cabin trip the other day talking about the supermoon a little bit covered a bit of stuff. So I think we’ll probably start wrapping it up there. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. You can see more of my stuff at Billy Newman photo comm where I put up a couple blog posts here and there some ideas about some photography stuff, a bunch of these podcasts are up there. And other ways you can get in contact with me to do some business with me or, or I guess talk about some photo stuff with me if you’re interested. So yeah, thanks a lot. I’m going to keep enjoying my cup of coffee on this Monday morning and seconds about the stuff done. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode of doing a new photo podcast I will talk to you again.