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149 Billy Newman Photo podcast mixdown wildflowers foxglove and oregon grape
Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I appreciate you checking this one out. I wanted to talk to you guys today, I think for what is today, the 12th of June 2020. A lot a lot of stuff going on right now in the world. But, in fact a bit about the ideas around media that I had around that no last podcast that I recorded. This one, I was going to get into a little bit of the outdoor stuff that I’ve been up to, and some of the photo editing bits that I was on and also I wanted to talk a little more about editing with a controller board. What is it called? I don’t know. They, yeah, like a MIDI controller. So yeah, the first part I guess I wanted to talk about, we’re heading out to the wildlife refuge area. That’s out south of Corvallis. Here. The Finley Wildlife Refuge went out there for a couple days in a row to try and check outs and some of the area out there I think it’s now opened up a little bit more officially I think during the first weeks of the lockdown here in Oregon, the road that was gated up, I think almost for like two months, the road that cut through to the main section of the wildlife refuge had been boarded up or not boarded up. But I think there’s like a gate that cuts across the front entrance of it. Even though it’s really sort of a public road that cuts through to the highway on the other side, I think it goes from Bell fountain road over to highway 99 on the other side, so you can cut all the way through but they Yeah, they closed off both ends, I think because there’s a visitor center in the in the middle there. And they didn’t want people coming in and congregating or I guess traveling on the trails for a period of time. So yeah, I noticed that on a couple other spots a couple of the entrances, they said that maybe I think that you couldn’t enter for a while then they sort of shifted those regulations around like we I think kind of talked about on a couple of the previous podcasts and then you could walk but then you had to remain socially distanced and the rest of it. So I think yeah, it’s opened. It’s opened back up mostly now and has been for the last few weeks. Normally, I think the the wildlife refuges in this area open up on April 1 and then close down again on November 1. And I think that’s for the migratory bird I guess seasonal patterns that they that they are in so I think it’s for I think it’s an area for Canadian geese to come in. And winter in. If that sounds right. I guess that’s fine. Oh, so it’s loaded up there in the wintertime it’s loaded with birds and grains and eat grits and stuff. It’s really cool to go down there and, and take some binoculars and look around a lot of Eagles late in the winter. I think that was pretty cool during like February. And in March of this year, there were a lot of bald eagles out in that area, that Willamette Valley, just sort of roaming around. But it was pretty fun to see a lot of hawks too. That was really cool. So yeah, a lot of birds in that area. But I cruise down there this last week for a couple trips to kind of hike out to a few spots now that it’s a little more opened up and you can kind of travel through it. It’s nice, it’s really close to the the area around here and it’s a little more open that that’s one thing I was noticing as I was looking for a few areas that were a little more opened up as a meadow. And that is as tightly constricted of a forest area. I’ll talk about a few of those places next to but this area is really cool though the Willamette Valley area, just really probably a lot of Western Oregon in total. This time of year for the last couple of weeks of May, in the first couple of weeks of June, there’s still so much water and rain and sun in the area as it as it’s coming down that we really get a lot of flowering plants this time of year. And then later into July. Well, even even by the end of June. And then as you go into July for sure at August it just gets so dry that there’s there’s really no more wild flowering plants out on the hillsides and in the meadows. So that’s what’s really cool about right now is you can go out into a meadow and you’re going into pretty tall grass because the grass is growing really tall as well right now, and going to seed and then there’s a lot of different types of ways like milkweed as the white flowers that grow on it. There’s another type of kind of Cecily weed that grows yellow flowers and then there’s just additionally like a bunch of cool stretches of fields of wild flowers that are out there that kind of grow interspersed across these fields that have been specifically I think I photographed before talked about probably every year the the fox Glover and bloom this time of year, which is really cool. So you can go around to just about any hillside in Oregon. And you’re going to see these really cool stocks of the stock with this, you know, kind of clumped pattern of bright, purple, magenta flowers that are sort of butted off of it. And you’ll see him everywhere in this part Oregon for sure. I mean, gosh, like anywhere from I think it would be like Roseburg to Seattle, probably. I don’t know if it goes that far. But I don’t know if I really saw a lot in Southern Oregon. Just wild on the hillsides during the summertime. There’s there’s probably a bit out there right now. But really, this area of the Willamette Valley and up into parts of the Cascades before it gets too high in elevation. You see a lot of that out there anyway, that there seem to be like logging activity, you know, where there’s, there’s some down trees, there’s an open field of grass. You know, it can interspersed and then, and then some sunlight that’s able to get through to the bottom of the forest floor. That seems like there’s these, these rows of foxglove that kind of come in, maybe they were invasive, but not sure how they really came through. I mean, they must have been like tracked in somewhere I see him I see him spilled out by roadsides all over. So it makes me wonder sometimes, but yeah, beautiful flowers really cool. And the way that they bloom for probably the next three weeks is really one of the the natural highlights of, of taking photographs in Oregon, or going out and looking at stuff in Oregon, it’s really just one of the nicer bits of the year where you can go out and you can find cool, bright flowers just about anywhere that you can head out to. So yeah, I’ve always appreciate how you go out and try to get some photographs of that this time of year. I noticed that a little bit in Oregon specifically, probably anywhere that you photograph stuff, is that there’s sort of a seasonality to some things where there’s a two week period of the year, where a certain idea is just going to work better than other periods of the year. And you can travel around and do different things you can be dynamic, but but but really kind of thinking of it like okay, what am I offered during this period of time that the year provides me so you know, the wintertime, just kind of obtusely think, well, you get snow in the wintertime, and in the summer you get sun, I guess or in the fall you get colored leaves, which is I guess that’s a, that’s a pretty easy one to understand. But even that you kind of get in the, into the dynamics of taking photographs in the fall. And if you were to think about the, the crisp kind of bright look of early October, before everything gets real wet, or before the leaves really drop, that’s when you’re able to get a lot of the the crisp, like, kind of vibrant color and mix of colors where you get like the greens, the Orange is the yellows and the Reds sort of spread through the different trees in the air, you get that kind of late September, early October, but by November is still the fall, you get a lot of stuff that that just looks like it’s, you know, it’s it’s a lot of trees that have lost their leaves. And it looks a lot more gray. And there’s just kind of a difference of the way that the look of it is similarly in a place like this, with its four season base. And it wasn’t like this in Hawaii, right? You know, it was almost the same every day to a fault almost. But similarly in an area like this, where there’s changes throughout the year, this time of year, in late May and early June, like I’m talking about, you get these cool blooms of flowers. And that’s just a different dynamic than we were going to see later in the year. You know, I mean, late July, August, we have a bunch of blackberries and bloom or something. And, and all through the rest of the year. There’s different things but right now we get a bunch of Oregon grape, those bright, cool yellow flowers that are spread across the hillsides as you’re driving out to the coast. Or like I was mentioning the the fox glove and the wildflowers that are growing as well. Pretty cool. So that’s what I was up to trying to find out the wildlife refuge this time of year. There’s really not much wildlife out there as maybe you’d figure but I think during this area this season of the summer, a lot of the animals that would naturally be there have had it off for a while. I don’t know if it’s up to the mountains. I think there’s a good-sized herd of elk that go in and out of the wildlife refuge there. I’ve seen him a few times I think maybe I talked about before in this podcast, but like last winter, I’d seen him a couple times. But I think it was thinking specifically maybe sometime in November. I think that’s near there. Right. But I’m not really sure the dynamics of how elk work. But yeah, I definitely saw a few bowls. You can see Yeah, they’re big racks kind of walking through this open field of a have a wildlife refuge and then and then yeah, bunch of the dozer around. Oh, I think I mentioned a few weeks ago, maybe on one of these podcasts that we were out at the wildlife refuge. Well, yeah. So strike one I said almost I mean in kitten, but we were added a further south section of the same wildlife refuge, looking across the open field at dusk and we saw Well, I’m not sure what it was it could it was an elk. It was now cruciate, but we saw a lone elk maybe 200 yards out across an open field. And it just kind of cruised a little zigzag as it kind of like went through this field sort of scoping and bending down to chew. And we watched it for a while. And then we ended up taking off after 45 minutes or something. But yeah, we just have to hanging out and having like a picnic or something. Yeah. Hanging out. And yeah, this Oh, popped up and cruise around out there. So I guess that was, what was that? mid May or so when we last saw that. So that was kind of cool. But yeah, just that that lone elk. Also, he’s probably headed up to the hills. I guess by the time that it’s gonna get pretty hot out here. I bet the people around there sort of know their, their natural migrations a little bit better. But it’s cool. Yeah, you can go out there in the wintertime, see elk. You can see a bunch of birds. I saw coyote out there. It was fun. But yeah, there’s a bunch of bunch of animals, but natural stuff, which places you can hike around. It’s just it’s cool that we have a couple areas like that, that are designated as, as wills, or what it’s a wilderness area to a wildlife refuge. I think there’s another one north of here. Well, there’s a bunch in Oregon, really, if you if you if you pull up a map and you look for wildlife refuges, you’ll probably find one that near and about the area that you live, there’s really a lot outside the Portland area. There’s a lot, I think along but I 84 Columbia River Corridor. There’s a lot I think, down this way into the Willamette Valley and along the coast, but there’s really almost nothing, I was surprised. There’s almost none in Southern Oregon. And there’s a few but it’s it’s it’s pretty dispersed out in Eastern Oregon. It’s really I think, just considered everything in Eastern Oregon Public Lands or, you know, like, was BLM or, or a national forest or something. So why designated wildlife? I think they’re supposed to be specifically, specifically set aside as viewsheds. Or like specific wildlife habitats that they want to keep intact. And I think a lot of that program was maybe put in place in the 70s and 80s. But I’m not really sure about it, is there’s a whole there’s a whole breakdown of the history, I mean, a breakdown I don’t have but there’s a whole breakdown of the history of how different segments of public lands were kind of attached and then set up. And so they’re really not all as old as I might have thought they were, I think I think this one might be back from the maybe 70s or 80s, like I was saying when they finally had it established. And so even still, there’s, there’s like a few farms and a few, like, there’s a bunch of buildings and stuff out there already, because they built things before there’s ever any public land protections. And so now there’s those structures there. And you drive through and it’s cool, it’s fine, I think, I think a lot of it’s managed land. So they have like a number of fields, like I was mentioning that the elk kind of cruise across, but in the summertime, like right now. They have, they have a bunch of tractors down there, and they have gone through and plowed or not plowed but they’ve gone through, is it a combine, they went through and cut the hay, they cut the grass that was grown. And then they made these giant rolls not bales that those square bales of hay that you would see you know, kind of as a commercial product, but these really huge bales of hay that seemed like about as big as my truck around and as tall as my truck. And then they stack eight of those up onto a flatbed pick or not pickup truck but a flatbed semi truck. And then they have like a double trailer. So they have when I was 16 of these big bales and then they’re they’re doing runs that all day to take out this grass product that they’ve produced on the land there. And I think that’s sort of one of the the multiple use cases for the land management that they do. You know, they do this kind of like I was talking about earlier, you know, you do this time of year, you do this next time a year. Because it’s just it’s just what the land and the environment offer you at that time. So I was out there the other day, yeah, watching these, these tractors kind of cruise around and pick up, pick up their bales of hay that they’d set it up. And then I think after that once that’s done as it gets into the drier season, in the rest of the year, I think it goes it just kind of hangs out until the fall and then and then that’s when the elk come back in and that’s when the birds come back in. So it’s cool going out there and check it out a few spots have been enjoying it in the afternoons. That’s a good spot to kind of head out to and it’s an easy spot to get to and you can kind of find like a bunch of open areas where you can kind of focus They’re not just some real specific singular points, like, I have this 50 millimeter macro lens on my camera right now. So instead of just going out and taking a wide angle broad landscape photos, which is a nice area for you can go in and with that macro lens focus in kind of real specifically and tightly on to a cluster of flowers or grouping of flowers, I think kind of pick your angle of view. Or well, and kind of pick your, I guess, pick your depth of field and sort of select how just how you’re going to make that image kind of pop, or how you’re gonna get that flower to separate from the rest of it. But yeah, it’s fun working with the macros because you can get kind of right in there next to it and still keep that object and focus like, like a flower or a bug or something. Any, I guess kind of small, small, detailed item, you can move that lens right up next to anything is that because if it’s what is its minimum focal distance, I’m not sure what that was called. What is that when it’s, you know, however many centimeters away from the front of the glass, the lens it is until you can first get something in focus. With a lot of lenses, like if you try this with a telephoto lens, some telephoto lenses I’ve had, like, I think I had a f4 telephoto lens and you couldn’t you could not focus that lens. And something less than eight feet of distance, you got to be like nine feet away before you could get something in focus with that lens. With something like a macro lens, you can get, you know, six centimeters away from the lens, and you’ll still be able to keep that in focus. And I think that’s with some of the dynamics of how the glass optics are arranged inside the lens. I guess I’ll leave it there cuz I’m sure certainly the rest of it is beyond me. But it’s kind of cool. Thinking about some of the macro stuff. So it’s cool having it on there. And it’s cool getting to go around this time of year because there’s, like I was mentioning there’s just there’s, there’s all these different opportunities to go and kind of arranged these different little bits of flowers and take some photos of them. Also, I guess Miss Jane Yeah, big, big, wide open fields and landscapes and stuff. I mean, it’s quite a full hearty landscape. I want to get out and see some real mountains are seen as get up in the Cascades or something and try and fix up them a little bit more. A little bit more extreme in the landscape side. But as it goes for a nice mellow field in the evening light of June. Let’s go on pretty good. Taking some photos of fast foxgloves fields, a wild flowers. So pretty easygoing bit of time there. So by doing that, I also went up to Coburg ridge and I had like a pellet gun. This scene that I was like when we were kids and stuff Yeah, he had like a BB gun. I got like, like a daisy red Ryder. But there’s also like the pellet guns where you put the the copper Bibi’s but those little sort of little LED kind of parachute tipped pellets, right. Yeah. So you pop one of those in and I had a few of those. I guess when I was a kid, over at my grandparents place, we go shoot cans and stuff. But this one that I’ve got is like a single shot one like a pump action one. So I went up to Coburg ridge. So went over to Brownsville, and then headed out the back way went up to Coburg ridge. And there’s a bunch of big different roads sort of cut off there out into the forest up in the hills and stuff where you can you can go up to a dead end and people go shooting up there all the time. And you know, it’s interesting during this lockdown and stuff to where there’s a bunch of people that aren’t able to go back to work, but are still trying to occupy their time. There’s, there’s a bunch of people, though, it seems like you know, when you go out to a wilderness area, I talked about this a bit before in another podcast. But if you go to a wilderness or a more remote location, there’s should be no one there, right? Because everybody’s at work. But as soon as everybody’s not at work. There’s another 10 people that decided to go out to the middle of nowhere. And once 10 people show up, even though there’s a lot of people in Oregon man, once 10 people show up in the middle of nowhere, it starts to seem crowded. And so even on a Tuesday afternoon, if you go up on Coburg Ridge, there’s gonna be a lot of pull-outs and roads and different areas that you think maybe would be providing more solitude at some point in the past now you’re going to come around a corner and there’s going to be there’s going to be a couple tracks pulled over already into a spot and they’re already firing away. You just see that as you kind of do s turns around the different around that little forest gravel road as you kind of cruise around in the hills there. So I went out I found a spot that was cool. It wasn’t you know, heavily crowded and stuff but yeah, I set up a little target and stuff and then was practicing with this. This little pump action pellet rifle that I was Trying to check out that was kind of fun. Bella rifles cruiser and doing some, some target practice really I was trying to get to be, I guess like a little bit more of a consistent shot at a specific distance. I’ve heard that before, we’re like what you want to try and do if you’re getting provided hear me, I’m Tina pelegrin. But if you try to get into some shooting stuff, and you want to kind of, I guess kind of refine your consistency, so you can get, you can get a good shot, I think the idea was like a 50 yards and then 100 yards, what you want her to try and do was get a pattern or you know, get like a probably something in about the size of a dinner plate. So what I had heard, where you want to try and get a cluster of shots fired into the space of about a dinner plate. And I guess that’s sort of showing that as I take a shot and have the consistency to get it into a specific point of a target. That’s, that’s actually selected, even at a range of somewhere around 100 yards. And I think that’s part like hear hunters talking about that, like, you’re a good shot, but are you a good shot at x range, you know, which I think is the preliminary element of, of if you’re doing any, any kind of gun activity, but or if you’re actually doing some real shooting, but I don’t know, I gotta try it more, I haven’t been very much of a good shot through the years. I mean, I think like the most of the stuff I’ve done was like a BB gun at, say 50 feet or something. So that’s not a lot of yardage to be firing across, what I want to try and do is I have a 22 around those my grandparents, my grandfather’s and so I want to take that out to Eastern Oregon, or out to even some of the spots that I was at, and do some, but really, I want the range. So I want to go to like Eastern Oregon and set something a bit like 50 and 100, like I’m saying and then and then kind of practice on trying to get the, I guess the distribution of my shot placement into a space that would be about as wide a part is at dinner play. And then when I can kind of do that, then I guess I’d have the confidence to sort of consider that if I am taking a shot at a target or whatever. I’m not really gonna be a hunter, I suppose. But yeah, if I’m firing at a target at a range, then I know that the my shot placement is consistent. And after that, you know, my use of is consistent enough. That seems like I should be doing it. I hear about that with like archery too, you know, like when people are getting into I guess bow hunting more specifically, you know, where they want to try and make their shots at 30 yards, and then 40 yards more consistent so that if they do take a shot when they’re hunting, they have the shot placement, and confidence in the shot placement at that range. So they can take a shot take an animal down, I suppose. Because that’s kind of one of the worst things is if if you’re outside of that, if you’re hunting and you’re outside of that that dinner, dinner plate size target patch, then you get a bad hit, they say, and then it won’t, it won’t be as direct. And then it’ll really I think generally just cause more suffering as we maybe leave it there the conversation. But I don’t think that’s really anyone’s goal, as far as you know, like when you’re out about and so yeah, let’s go do some target practice stuff, trying to get into that with some of the time that I’ve had. But I wanted to talk a little bit on this podcast, even though I’ve been going on for a while now about wedding photography. And I thought that the the wedding photography industry was maybe one of those interesting problems that we’re going to see kind of continued to spill out over the next months, it seems like with this with COVID, and then with the lockdown. And then with the multiphase reopening plan that we have, there’s going to be a lot of businesses and industries that come back online. And a lot of people seem to get back to work with a significant hiccup in the system. But it seems like maybe those industries will come back online and get back to work sort of smoothly. I’m curious about the wedding industry. Well, the wedding industry, the events industry overall. And then as the sort of trickle down, trickles down the the economic pyramid there, how does that arrive at wedding photographers? And that’s sort of one of the questions that I’ve had I’ve been mulling over over the last weeks. I mean, it seems like everybody went through the experience of having any, any booked gigs during the month of April or May just sort of cancelled and evaporated. Right before everyone’s eyes. So I was curious how that was for any wedding photographers out there. I mean, I remember. There’s like a wedding back on like March 6. And now I think that just by snuck under the wire there. And then for the last many months, there’s been no public gatherings of that type and no, no events for that kind of thing. So it’s curious. Yeah, like, man, like, what’s that gonna do to industries where it really you just have to have some level of confidence, you know, like market confidence to try and participate in, I was thinking about, yeah, like vacationing, or even a lot of leisure based stuff, it seems like a lot of families are going to be in a position where they’ve not been working for a period of time, and to some capacity, they’re going to be in the hole, you know, I mean, with everybody’s mortgage crisis, or rent crisis, or job crisis, or, I mean, please fill in the list of what we’re going to be experiencing in the next six, six months, or whether it’s going to be identified as experienced in the next six months, it’ll be interesting to kind of go through, as I understand it, like even in places like California, where they’re getting into their phase two, and then phase three parts of the reopening. I think they’re gonna have bars, and then nightclubs return. And then I think maybe later into that, even is when you’re going to get event centers to open back up again, that’s more for like, like concert venues or sporting event venues, that sort of thing. But I was interested, just kind of more specifically, yeah, like, how is a wedding venue going to reopen? And I figure kind of given the news of some things, it seems like, there’s just gonna be a lot of things that reopen. They’re just about what we’re open again, you know, at least in a numbers day, this seems like taxes is sort of moving that way, Oklahoma’s moving that way. Seems like a lot of those kind of Midwestern and southern states are sort of moving in that direct direction pretty quickly. And really, as even I can say, a lot of places in Oregon, especially this rural area of Oregon, there’s, there’s not many masks, there’s not many private business guidelines that you interact with. So it, there’s just not and I mean, gosh, like looking at the the flow of traffic and the number of people out and just how things are, it’s really quite a different environment than it was months ago at the beginning of this. In March, it seems like a lot of the concern people had about not going out or not interacting or not continuing on with their, their more regularly scheduled lives is is just not going to be interrupted anymore. I think we’ve, it seems like mentally A lot of people have just selected that. It that problem has passed. I might be one of those people, for better or worse. So as it goes, Yeah, it seems like a lot of stuff is reopening. It seems like events of some type are going to come back into place, but family of like voluntary family events like weddings, it just seems like Well, I don’t know, I don’t know how those events are going to be rescheduled. Definitely, like a wedding ceremony is a super important part of person’s life. And it just seems like it’s gonna be a hard year for that to happen and go smoothly, you know, and it kind of specifically for those folks who are in the industry that’s supported by the wedding, the wedding events industry, it’s like, we’ll go out and DJs a lot of catering businesses, I’m sure have to wait for those live events to come back before they get a booking to go to a catering event. And then even still, you know, how are people going to be interacting with that sort of stuff? So So this was wonder about Yeah, photography, like for family photography, like any family photo gigs, I had, like, probably evaporated for the next couple months, I’m sure you know, like, when are we going to get? I mean, a lot of families that are together, I’m sure are fine. But do they want photos right now? Do they want to spend a significant amount of money after all this stuff has happened? Or you know, just like the number of people that would have been interested in a sort of a luxury purchase have larger photo package created for them, it just seems like wow, let’s not have someone over at our house or let’s not go out to somewhere as a family or let’s not drop all this money on something that we don’t need anymore. And I bet there’s a lot of industries that are going to be kind of suffering from that as we sort of come out of a readjustment from what what is it that we need in the 2020s now and what was just sort of superfluous, like luxury item that we had in the past that’s, that’s no longer really necessary. I don’t know maybe I think a lot of stuff in human nature will just kind of pop back to the way that maybe had been before like I was just mentioned, it seems like the season of considering this stuff for a lot of folks has passed. And then for a lot of folks in addition to that there’s a lot of a lot of face masks and face shields and distancing behavior going on. So it’ll be interesting to see how that divergence either comes back together or continues to divide. And it seems like right now we’re in we’re in a time where things like that just sort of continue to divide. So maybe that’s what it’ll look like for the next few years. But I’m not sure I think, as it goes, if well, as a consumer goes, I think that a lot of consumers will be able to get what they want, if they want to go out to eat, if they want to get married, if they want a photo package, they’ll be able to get one, as it goes for the businesses, I think that that’s going to be a little bit more concerning where all of those small businesses are going to have to compete for a much smaller whole pie. And that means their slice, I think it’s gonna be a lot slimmer, as well. So maybe it’ll be interesting, I think, I think it’ll be it’ll be it’ll be a big dip. But then I think it’ll probably return. I don’t know, maybe a year or so. Depends on depends, I guess. And like, what the second wave stuff goes, like I don’t I don’t really expect to see any multi generation weddings, or family photo events coming around soon. I mean, gosh, like I was doing the family, family portrait stuff in Hawaii, or last year. And that’s not going on at all anymore. What are they doing? I mean, I’ve thought about this a few times. And the first time I thought about it, but Gosh, like Yeah, what are these? What are these people doing now? The photographers or the hotels or any of that? But additionally, the families? When are they coming back? I mean, why hasn’t opened up anything yet? They’re still completely locked out. I think they’re arresting residents to go outside in the wrong way still. So what is the confidence to go on a seven day trip to Hawaii gonna pop back in? And then when is that also going to include getting a Hokie photo package with your family? Man, or Yeah, like inviting your your elderly, grandmother or grandfather to a wedding or something? It just seems like, oh, man, I wonder, are these people just gonna be on Skype? Maybe they’ll need photos and videos more than ever now. There’ll be a multimedia wedding where you’re just in an empty room with the bride and groom and pastor, and then it’s streamed over zoom. That’s gonna be a great future. I don’t really suspect that I think a lot of people are pretty fatigued by the idea of working with zoom or working with these video chat services. And really, whatever happened to a phone call? I mean, this is audio, isn’t it? Are you? Are you sad that I cannot be seen right now? I don’t know. Maybe. So it seems a little too Max Headroom for me to just keep looking at someone on a half second delay. It’s obviously a silly. So I really I think audio I think voice I think sound is a really powerful medium just on its own. And I’ve always been curious why, you know, like a conference call seemed to work quite well, in the 90s. It doesn’t seem like everything has to be a zoom meeting, which is not an equivalent to face to face. Not yet. I think that’s a part of latency. I’ve been trying to learn about this with audio stuff, too. And that’s what some of the 5g infrastructure is supposed to work on to is the latency of how long it takes a packet to get made, and then sent across the network and delivered, and then how long it takes for return of that two round trip back to me, essentially, saying, you know, like, What’s that? What’s that little chunk of delay? That happens? on a phone like on a Skype call, where, you know, it’s it’s not real, it’s maybe 900 milliseconds behind where it’s, you know, it’s just like a 10th of a second or something off. And there’s an effect to that you’re just the video motion to you know, like, if you make a reaction, there’s just the moment of delay. Remember, you remember this, like on the news feeds when a correspondent was at a satellite location, maybe across the earth? And so the the news anchor would say, like, Hey, what are you learning in India? And then it would be, you’d be staring at the image of the reporter, waiting to start his report, and you count this like, silent bead of like, 123456. Like, what is why why is this guy that started talking? Yeah. And then you say, Oh, well, yeah, we’re here. And we’re covering this and then you think, oh, that that giant gap that big delay in the responses is when that person heard it in real time, and then started responding. And that big gap that we hear is the round trip delay that it takes for the signal to leave the studio and America wherever it was traveled to a satellite bounce around. Across a few satellites is supposed to The other side of the earth and then bounce down to the ground in India where it makes contact with a producer. They’re at, you know, wherever this camera guy is on a remote, and then the anchor hears it speaks. And then it goes through the same process again, where it goes up to a satellite bounces around halfway around the Earth comes back down to the ground over another satellite, and then is broadcast out over the air. So that whole thing is latency. The whole the time that it takes that process to occur is latency. And to the degree that we can shrink that or shorten that, or use different information tools to make that happen faster, like packet sizing, or I don’t know, network forming or what is it packet forming, so that they’re able to make these these kinds of things a little bit faster. And so I think that’s one of the hopes of 5g, and then I’ve also heard of one now it’s that low latency, I think that’s one of the problems is Satellite Internet, like one of the hopes was that you could get satellite in and then get bandwidth anywhere around the Earth. But the problem that people would have is high latency. And that’s I think, because the satellite is so much further away than even a cell phone tower, like we were talking about. And that just kind of the way and the technology that was developed for the satellites wasn’t wasn’t low latency. So I think that’s what one of the attempts of the starlink program is, I think you’ve heard about that, I hate to say Elon Musk’s starlink. But that might be like, the easiest way to recognize it, maybe you’ve seen the satellites cruising overhead to, I’ve only seen him a couple times, or once a one night, I saw a number of them, which is probably what you would see to most the time, they’re not there. And then there’s a cluster of them. And apparently, they’re going to be launching somewhere around 1000. They were supposed to cover a grid around the sphere of the earth. And then what we were talking about is that we create kind of a lower latency satellite network that would allow telecommunications of data packets to any location on the earth. And the hope is that that would have that would I guess, provide access to people all around the world to do some type of compute or some type of networked data exchange wirelessly anywhere on the earth? Yes, you’d have, you know, anywhere you don’t have cell signal, you’d have signal because it goes to the satellite, everything’s a satellite phone now is what the idea that that project is. So it’s getting off the ground, it’s getting into space, they’ve launched maybe 200 satellites. Now it seems like they go up with about 50 or 60. Every time I heard they had a launch, maybe every month since early March or so. I think there was maybe there was I think maybe one in January. There’s definitely one in March. I think there was one again in May. Yeah, so they got a bunch of satellites up. I think it’s pretty cool. I think that’s what they’re doing with some of those, those Falcon nine rockets when they’re, they’re sending them up to do you know, the SpaceX missions, not the, the Dragon capsule that went to the space station, but some of the other ones that they have for, for satellite deployment. I think that’s what they’re doing is deploying some of these starlink satellites. They got a panic, not panic, but a unexcited phone call from a friend. He said, Billy, look outside. What’s this? The UFO we’re being invaded. And I like to happen. And yeah, it’s a stream of pretty bright. satellites are pretty bright objects that are lit moving quick across the sky from the southwest to the northeast. And they’re kind of spaced out. Just a little gap between each other. It just seemed like maybe like one or two inches of the of the distance of the sky. like you’d be grabbed it in your fingers at your arms like, and there’s just the stream and I’m kind of cruising at satellite speed across the sky look like a satellite. But most of the time, they don’t move in that direction. They don’t move that fast. They don’t look that color. So it’s like yeah, what is that? That’s cool. And trippy and scared. It’s like, Whoa, like, Are we being invaded? I mean, war, the world’s was just the radio program. And it caused more panic than that. Maybe we’re, I don’t know. I guess we’re where it’s more settled into it now. But But yeah, I got this phone call from my friend. And I was thinking about I was like, Oh, yeah, this. This is the starlink program. This is that that satellite deployment, where they’re all clustered together, and they’re going to be visible for a period of time. And then I think they’re going to be, they’re kind of spiraling out as they go around the Earth. They’re sort of getting further and further out in orbit from the earth each time they go until they get to a distance, that they’re going to sort of remain as my understanding. And so I think they’re pretty bright. Now once they’re launched, and then over time, they’re going to get a little like dimmer and dimmer and dimmer until they’re really not as no noticeable I think that was a concern for a while for Astro photographers is that this deployment of 1000 satellites into the sky is going to disrupt long exposure night photography significantly, because we’re going to have all these different extra points of light, that we’re going to ruin all this this data gathering that we do for astronomy or for personal Astro photography, I hope. And my understanding is there supposed to be painted in this black matte paint? like they did with the Iridium satellites, more recently. And that’s supposed to, I guess, affect the the flares that we get those Iridium burns that we would see where a satellite is, you know, is visible, but then all of a sudden, catches the glare of the sun. And then shimmers for five or 10 seconds really bright, brighter than almost anything in the sky and then fades again. It’s called an Iridium burn for the Iridium satellites that were put up as like satellite communication. I think it’s like how we get NBC or something. Yeah. We get some of those. Some of those satellite communications that we have now almost everything, you know, goes through this satellite communications network that was launched, I think back in the 60s, the Iridium network, and then a lot of that was replaced in the last 10 years, maybe with the new items. And then I think now they’re watching, you know, watching all these SpaceX items. But yeah, it’s cool. If you get a chance to see him You can I think you can look up online, like how to spot the the SpaceX starlink satellites that have been launched. And they’re on a pretty specific timing, and they’re only in like, a certain part of the world at any given time. And I think it takes a while for them to get to your part of the world if they’re not there right now. So yeah, I think you can check it out. And you can find like, one of the sightings or one of the times that you’re gonna have a sighting in your area, but it’s pretty cool. Yeah, you can find it and see some satellites cruising by, hopefully, as the summer kind of rolls out a little bit more near Corvallis. Maybe I’d mentioned before. It has been around. June. Oh, yeah. So I think I’m gonna wrap it up there for this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Thank you very much for checking it out. Today, you can go to Billy Newman photo.com, for more information about me or my photographs, or some of the photo ebooks I put together, or I don’t know, whatever other stuff. So hopefully, yeah, we get to talk again soon. I think there’s a couple a couple topics I didn’t get to on this one, I’ll get back to some of those logic control things I want to talk about. And I want to kind of get into a deeper dive on that stuff. Next time. I’m just getting into working with this, this controller with the software that runs controls in Lightroom with it and I’m just really getting used to it where you can kind of use this mixing board to mix and match different colors and light ramps. So I’m looking to try and get into that more and then maybe make some some stuff around it. But I’ll definitely get into that in a deeper dive next time. The podcast but thanks for checking this out. Talk to you guys later. Bye