Moving to Maui
Billy Newman Photo Podcast | Moving to Maui
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Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. My name is Billy Newman. And I’m reading Hanson and tonight we are outside in Maui, Hawaii and we are recording in the field, we’ve got kind of a smaller rig set up since we’ve moved to the island. So some of the studio stuff is kind of put aside right now. But yeah, we’re recording kind of straight into the camera with like, a microphone that’s, that’s kind of hooked off of that for us to record to use like the mic for like video recording stuff. It’s kind of a cool one says rode video mic that we fucked up. Take the hot shoe on our five D Mark three. And then we’ve got a face kind of back toward us. So we can sort of monitor the audio. And then we can hang out here together and do some podcasting together. But it’s kind of fun. How are you doing Marina? Good, and it is fine. I like this setup. Yeah, it’s a lot less stuff than what we had gone before. But it’s kind of fun. We can kind of we can see that. It’s working and stuff. But you can probably hear the bugs behind us to like the crickets and the what is it like a beetle that makes that sound? A little buzzing sound? I think so. Yeah. I’ve always been kind of curious about those little sounds. But yeah, you could hear him in the night sky podcast we recorded last week. It was kind of fun to hear and some of the environmental sounds that were around. Yeah, we’re just off the side of the road up near like a coffee plantation is this plantation for their farm? I’m not really sure how it goes. But I think it’s sugar cane just off the way over here.
Yeah, it’s sugar cane off in one direction. And I think it’s just I think it’s a coffee plantation.
Yeah, it’s kind of cool. But it’s just maybe a few blocks outside of town, which I guess is just one road. That’s, that’s by a string of resorts in the, I guess the western Maui area. And it’s an eye spy as cool kind of getting up this high. But you can kind of look back down toward the shoreline. So you can see the row resorts from here. And then you can I guess see if it were daytime, you can see like the ocean out there and then like the way which which island? Is that?
Molokai?
I think? Yeah. I think that this one here is Molokai.
Yeah. With Molokai affair. And then we would see. Lanai over there. Yeah, that’s what it is. Yeah, I’m trying to figure out kind of arrangement now. But yeah. So if you’re noticing about the geography I’m trying to talk about, we have moved from Oregon now to Maui, Hawaii, which has been pretty interesting. And it’s so we’ve now been here. I think just one month, right? Yeah, we flew out
one month yesterday. The 27th is when we got here.
Yeah. Wow. So yeah, we flew in September 27, of 2018. And we took off from Eugene, Oregon, we left our cool little apartment, we packed up all our stuff packed up our cool outlet studio. And, yeah, we moved it on over here to a place in Hawaii over here on the west side. So it seems like we’re in a pretty cool area of the island to live in. And we had taken jobs to work as creative directors over here for a company that runs photography studios at different resorts. And so a lot of what we’re occupied with right now is is like a different type of photography, in a sense, I guess maybe then then some of the stuff that we talked about before like we’re we’re doing like commercial work, like where I was working with the RVs and the camping, outdoor adventure tourism stuff. And now we’re doing a lot of stuff that’s like around taking portraits of families and taking portraits or groups and stuff. And yeah, that’s cool, kind of doing that sort of business and sort of changing it up a little bit. We had done like the wedding stuff before a lot. And I guess we talked about the wedding stuff on the podcast, a good bit in the past, too. But yeah, it’s kind of fun having this new experience and sort of doing doing some of it’s a little different than the photography stuff we’ve done in the past.
It is it’s been cool. It’s It’s a neat experience working with with a studio and sort of running a studio and having a small team of photographers.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that’s really cool kind of learning how to run a studio learning how to book clients and work with clients and yeah, like trying to go through sort of the gist all of this stuff is sort of associated with the photography business around and outside of taking the pictures and so it’s, it’s cool kind of working with a handful of people. And yeah, it’s a great spot to sort of learn how to do that here in Maui. And seems like there’s probably a lot of business for that sort of thing with everybody kind of coming into vacation. Batavia we set up along that that bank of of like hotels and resorts that we see down there by the shore, and it’s really fun, sorry, going out going to work at a resort and, and then taking your lunch break over on the beach in Hawaii. It’s like right now. I shouldn’t really complain. Getting to do that. I think I just inhaled a mosquito Yeah, only downside to outdoor studio. That’s the studio we’re in now. I’ll take it. But yeah, it’s cool. It’s cool being out here. So yeah, we’re hanging out outside at night. And I think we’re gonna try and record part of a night sky podcast after this where we’re getting back into trying to talk about a lot of the astronomy stuff that we’re interested in. That was really fun. We were kind of going through talking about mosquitoes going back. We were trying to figure out, I guess some of the stuff that we’re gonna talk about tonight, but it’s really cool, because we go out here to this coffee plantation area. And we get to sort of check out the stuff above us or, you know, we get to look up and just kind of look at the sky and look at the constellations. And it seems like a better base of of how to sort of set up an astronomy podcast, that’s kind of fun. But well, you guys can tune into that later. If you want to check it out up the night sky podcast, I think you could find it. But for the photo pack, guys. But for the photo podcast, things I was thinking about talking about was, I guess this a little bit of what we just covered kind of moving to Hawaii setting up with new photo jobs that are here. And then we should talk about some of the cool photo goals, or, you know, things around photography that we want to do while we’re here on the island. When you want to talk about that, I thought it was cool that we got to go out and take those photographs. In the evening a couple days ago, like we went out to a different location and take some pictures.
Yeah, it’s really cool. Getting to check out the little backroads around here, find the new mountain and hill spots, kind of like we would back in Oregon, you know, go out on road and find the cool natural areas.
Yeah, I’m really liking that too. One thing that I’ve noticed, and definitely the change, like being just on the island here is really, I guess it’s a good thing in a sense, but it’s like how little of it is developed in a way or like, there’s a lot of like mountainous area here. But I think a lot of that’s like closed off. Like there’s really no roads to it. And there’s no way to get out there. And a lot of the roads go to like residential areas that have already been developed in the past. Like it just goes to someone’s house. It doesn’t really like a forest service road system where you just go roam around on the Forest Service roads like you would in the National Forest, Oregon or the or the state, state forests, the Oregon that are out there. So it’s it’s a different kind of systems. It’s interesting, but
it is pretty different in that regard. Lots of lots of stuff to get out and find though, we’ve been pretty confined to the west side of the island since we moved here, because we’ve been busy with our studio work. But now that we’re sort of settled into our regular schedules, I agree we’re going to be trying to plan our weekends out to get out to other parts of the island more often
we are adjusting to our regular schedules, it seems like a little bit better than we had just with the hecticness that goes into the move from Eugene to Maui, and then now being in Maui and kind of settling in and figuring out like, where you get food where you where you how you get to work, how you get, you know, all your stuff kind of settled in. So we’re sort of sorting some of that out Finally, but it’s been cool being in Maui in that. And yeah, we’re definitely enjoying it. And kind of the shift in the fall is sort of weird because back home in Oregon, I think they’re shifting into November here pretty soon, like we’re coming up on Halloween, and then in November and then pretty quickly into the Thanksgiving and Christmas vibe that’s going on. And here on the island we haven’t really experienced you know that that type of seasonal change that we would have expected at the end of September. And as you go into October, I think we were just barely starting to come into that feeling. Even though it’s so hectic, I was just barely noticing. It was obviously clear though. It was it was September it was fall, but we were just finally getting into that zone where I was like, oh, wow, it’s gonna be fall here soon. It’s gonna be October and a couple days. Yeah. And it’s gonna be like, different. It’s gonna be a different season. So yeah, we left just at that time that the season was really kicking into full gear. I heard that back in Oregon. It was like a beautiful fall. They had like a bunch of clear days, a bunch of nice weather where they’re able to kind of go, but it just had that crisp, sort of fall feel to it.
That’s what I’ve been hearing to some of my clients that I photographed. Just a couple days ago. We’re visiting from Portland. Funny enough. And yeah, they’re telling me that it had been a beautiful fall. And it was just now sort of starting to be more rainy. Yeah, like, like Oregon, fall and winter.
Yeah, I’d heard that the storms were just starting to come in. I was talking to some family and stuff. And they were saying that it’s sort of just now shifting over into a little bit more of that rainy weather that you’d be sort of expecting, but I’m sure I’m sure everybody in Oregon is gonna be jealous of us being here in Hawaii, but in a way in a small way. I do kind of miss that fall feeling you know?
I do too. I actually I know we’ve only been here for a month I actually miss it a lot. Yeah, not that I don’t enjoy and very, very much appreciate this awesome tropical weather but it is sort of Strange, because you really don’t feel the time of year that it is in the same way. Even with the the weather changes that do happen. It’s really a very different experience. And yeah, there are some decorations and things about but it really doesn’t feel like the end of October here. And it. I’ve seen I’ve seen a couple of those mini ones. The grocery stores. Yeah, but yeah, I really not. Not feeling like Halloween is in a couple days. Feels like a different kind of
Halloween. That’s for sure. Where we rode for one where we were. Well, that was a pretty wet time. Yeah. We were in San Francisco. 2012. Yeah. 2012. And that that was it. The Giants in San Francisco. won the World Series. Yeah. And then they had like that parade downtown. They broke glass everywhere. Glass. Yeah, that’s what we were going through a few years back. But But yeah, so I was thinking like later, we had gotten down to like, like Nevada, and then into Arizona. And that was a lot different or like it was back to warm back to kind of a sort of summer kind of weather. But it’s definitely different here. It was still very much fall in freezing temperatures for for a good bit of November, like when we went to Yosemite and through a bunch of that, right. Yeah, it was snowing. It was nice in Arizona. And in what like Las Vegas when we got there, it was like still pretty warm. It’s like the end of November. But that’s quite a bit different than what it seems like it is here in Maui on the islands. So yeah, it’s been interesting kind of getting used to this season. But I miss. Like, I’ve seen a bunch of people out on the high desert, the Oregon high desert. I miss my my fall camping trip out there. Like as the aspen trees, the birds start to trash but out there. I think that there might be both. It could be different, right? I don’t know. But I missed that area of Eastern Oregon going out to like the Warner rim clash area or just even out to like, bend a little east to there go into some of the high desert stuff that’s out there in the fall. I think that’s always like one of the most fun times to be out there.
That’s a really beautiful time to be out there. I was just going through I’ve been reorganizing my photo archive, and I was just moving some files over and I was looking at photos from a few falls back when we were in the 16 Mountains. Yeah, with and we got all those really beautiful photos of the I think birch trees out there. But again, I’m not sure. Now I don’t know. But yeah, a really gorgeous time to be out there. Yeah, I had such a blast being out there. I was looking at some of those was someone someone on Instagram as I come through with did did something up on the Steen’s, I think maybe like a week ago or something like that. And I saw just like a couple real brief pictures as a Gabi, the Steen’s in October and fall instead of it’s probably really cold there. But now we went. And like early September, and it was already definitely heavy on set for the higher elevations of the scenes, once you get out to that area, because the scenes rise up to like, like 9500 feet or so by the summit. So a lot of that area as you get up onto the plateau. For like as the land starts to kind of lift up that rise you’re at like, you’re easily at 6000 feet when you start and then you move pretty quickly up into the six, seven and 8000 feet area. And by September here, you’re in the freezing range and that temperate zone, it’s like getting pretty cold at night. So like those Aspen and Burj whatever they are. They’re definitely like in that in that part where they’re having their colors change quite a bit. So it was really pretty good to see that back when we got to But yeah, I was kind of inspired by that. I’ve seen like a bunch of people like on their hunting trips and stuff to like, is it going? Oh, yeah, yeah. And it’s cool like seeing that. But I’m just looking at all this this like high desert terrain and like all this fall terrain stuff that’s out there. And I’m thinking I want to be out there taking pictures. But I miss it a bit. But really yeah, it’s so fun being out here in Hawaii and kind of getting to sort of extend our summer a couple months. I think it’s I think it’s pretty fun getting to do that. Who comes up? But yeah, while we were oral I was thinking about that. We have like a couple of friends that are over on the Big Island now. Yeah, we had a couple of friends come over to the Big Island so we’re not able to like I guess hop hop islands quite yet. But yeah, so they’re over there. I saw some stuff in them like zip line and and stuff I saw to that like, like so much fun. I sent them a message back of me working out my employee schedule. Hawaii. I wouldn’t be doing that. I want to go zip line. And then I think in a couple weeks we have another set of friends that are doing a trip out to Koh y which sounds like it’d be really cool. Oh, that’s right. We do. Yeah, they’re coming in November. Yeah. So sometime in November. They’re coming back. Oh, man, that’s really cool. We’re probably not gonna be able to make it over there either. Yeah. Yeah, I guess yeah, it’s like it’s it’s pretty busy. We’re, we’re pretty occupied. It seems like a lot of the time but, but it’s fun being on the island. It’s cool kind of getting around a little bit, but you start to notice a few things where it’s like a little small innocence. I started to notice that a little bit where it’s like, oh, yeah, it’s like, like a just a drive to the next town is sort of across the island. Sometimes, like, you know, like when we do like a trip over to Costa Louis. It’s like, it doesn’t seem like it’s a road trip through like a big separate place. Man. I’m talking about like, it seems like that’s a trip from Corvallis to Portland is obviously like a much bigger trip. Yeah, it’s like twice as long. Yeah. So Corvallis to Eugene or something like that? Or even. It’s like 45 minutes or something? It’s only, like 28 miles, I think from where we live. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that’s like, yeah, that’s like, not very big. Not big at all. Yeah, I sort of like you were saying earlier. Oh, wow, I just saw a shooting star behind you. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, I saw that there was a shoot, there’s also a shooting star, like, sort of down into the left of that. What is that blinking?
Isn’t that cool? These are the most fun. I love these satellites. They’re super cool. It’s like so imagine a satellite that has two mirrors on it. And then it’s spinning pretty slowly. And as it spins at one point, it’s gonna, it’s gonna blip, where the sun’s light is, yeah, that’s gonna reflect that at us in a pretty directed way. And so what we’re seeing when it blips like that is as it rolls around those solar panels that are on the side of it to collect energy to keep it power, spin around, and then flare the sun on them for just a second. And then it shines up on us. But yeah, you see these like little blinker satellites that go through, sometimes confused to be UFOs, which seemed like pretty confused for a long time. And they’re sort of like, I don’t know, they’re just not observed as often are like, it’s just like a weird thing to see. It doesn’t look like a lot of the other satellites that you would spot in the sky. And it really, I don’t know, maybe maybe I’m wrong. And my, my observation of it, but I’m pretty sure it’s Yeah, it’s like, smaller or larger, I don’t know, but like a satellite going through that sort of rolling over kind of slowly. And, and then yeah, reflecting the sun’s light back as to where we are on the dark side of the earth. But up there so I, it’s, it’s still in daylight, which is pretty cool. That is really cool. Yeah, that’s cool. You start shooting star two. That was me. Yeah.
Like right over here by by Mars. Yeah, just over from from it. That’s cool.
Is
there is the orionid meteor shower. Yeah. Yeah. It’s probably so I think that it’s like sort of just finishing up. I think that it was I wish I could remember the dates Exactly. I think that it was from like this. The 17th, perhaps to the 29th was sort of when you would see it there was like the 21st and the 22nd. I think were the days that I was peeking. And you would really see it. But I think that I had read between the I think it was the 17th. But I might be wrong on that. But I think I read something about something around the 17th to the 29th is when you would when there would be things happening still. So I wonder if that. I wonder if that’s related?
I hope so. I think it was Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, it’s starting to get nicer it a little bit misty for a few. Yeah, it’s cool. stuff.
I was noticing I can see the Milky Way better than the last time we were up here. It was pretty cloudy. When we were up here. The other week doing our night sky episode. I was thinking we have another car coming up. Zoom.
So for photos, stuff that we want to wrap up, what else do we even have to Marina most of it’s been kind of moving to a why and getting used to our new new jobs and stuff and getting into photography stuff here. I’m trying to make some choking mosquitoes. But yeah, most of what we’ve been trying, yeah, I’m still dealing with that thing. But mostly what we were trying to do is yes, start up our new jobs, get into stuff get used to our new cameras. So Okay, so here’s the big thing that we’ve done that we haven’t talked about on the podcast, is I sold off the Sony equipment that I had, and I’m not working with that anymore. And then Marina and I both got five D Mark threes, and 24 to 72 way lenses. So we can kind of invest in and do a bunch of the portrait work that we’re trying to do while we’re here and why or portrait family wedding sort of photos stuff that we have an opportunity to do over here with our jobs while we’re here on the island of Maui. And so yeah, it was kind of fun. It was exciting to try and to try and do that change up pretty quickly. So I sold A bunch of the camera stuff online that we had had. And then I think what we tried to do, we found a few on Facebook marketplace. We did, we found the
Facebook marketplace and Craigslist were the two locations that we got our bodies and lenses.
So what we were able to do is find a couple pieces, I guess separate from each other. So we found the five D Mark three body we found one over and bend that had been hardly used, which was really cool had been used for I think like, like one set of projects for someone’s like professional YouTube page marketing. It was like, I think built to make like a video series on some topic is what I was explained. And it was just built to do like video stuff. And then after they had used it, they wanted to sell it and they’d had it I think sitting for like maybe six or seven months. And so they were trying to liquidate it and got a great deal on it. That same day, we were able to find from another seller a 24 to 72 eight lens that was in really nice condition that you got that we were able to buy that had been hardly used, it was excellent that we were able to find something that was like so low usage and for such like a good value to
us. Fantastic. Yeah, it was really happy we got to do that. It looks it looks new, it doesn’t look very cool isn’t extremely nice shape is very well taken care of.
Yeah, I was surprised by that too. And then that same week, we were looking around. And I think we again use the Facebook marketplace to find one up in the Portland area that was used for like a real estate photographer maybe or it was like for a real estate agent who needed a camera to take photographs of some of their real estate they were selling. But they had hardly used it, I think they switched over to doing to doing it with some other equipment set up. So they were trying to sell their five d max three. So we were able to find a great deal on that also and that had been hardly used. Like it didn’t really even have scuffs on the base of it was really cool to find something that, you know, was just such such new quality when I looked at the Frank and I think I had like 1500 did that right? Like 1500 shutter actuations on it. Like that’s
a Yeah. Yeah, that’s
Yeah, that’s hardly that’s like practically not used.
Yeah, that’s a couple photoshoots it’s a couple that’s like a week of work for something maybe that we’re doing so. So that’s really cool that we got something that was so fresh and and really knew like that. And then additionally to that we found someone in the Portland area who had a 24 to 72 a USM. Two lands that had been I think use quite a bit more than that first ones that we had found, but it is like the version hurts like a little newer maybe. But we’ve had a great deal on it too. And it seems to be in pretty good condition. I think it was used by a wedding photographer for maybe a year, maybe two years, and then they decided to sell it. So I’m sure that it had been in high rotation as like a lens that they use frequently. And then I think we bought it from the second owner so that we’re probably the third owner of it seems like a great lens. It’s been on my camera for a few weeks now. But shooting with it most days and I’m pretty happy with it. It seems like it’s fast and it’s sharp. And I’m really happy to have the flexibility of 24 to 78 to eight like like you know, just like an hourglass lens. I kind of I don’t know like I’ve never really been able to work with like a full frame higher end canon system before so I’m having a really good time doing that. Now I think like in the past when I did river photography stuff I had way back in the day. One Ed, I tried to get my numbers and letters right, Nikon is like a D 80 or a D 800. Or something like that canon is the number first than the D like a one d x or a five D Mark three or one or the other. I don’t know like a 60 is like the crop sensor one or maybe it’s I don’t know what it is. There’s a 60 out there also. But yeah and then like way back I’d used I think a 20 D and a 30 D back when I was doing some river photography stuff way back. And yeah, those were and then I think while I was at work I was using like a 70 for a while. Yeah, so I guess I definitely been around some canon stuff for a while and I kind of used it in a professional setting but this is really cool kind of getting the it’s just a different level I get the five D Mark to mark three mark for a line now and then it’s like the one dx level which is still something I’m not really familiar with. But But yeah, it’s definitely like a different level working with a full frame system and Al class. I think it’s pretty cool getting to do some photos and some portraits and stuff with it.
Me too. I’ve really enjoyed it. My only other experience with canon had been when I assisted fashion photographer who had a five D Mark too and I only I only got to use that on a couple shoots so it was very minimal experience with canon stuff. So it’s been really cool getting to have this really professional setup that is canon model stuff. Yeah. I’ve liked getting to experience so many cameras is cool, you know, doing Nikon stuff for a long time. And getting to use such a wide variety of Nikon cameras, and then switching over to Sony stuff for a while is really cool, too. I like that experience a lot. Yeah. And I’m also really happy to be moved on from it also. MB. Yeah, we set up with this great canon stuff.
We talked about the Sony stuff a few times before. This review of Sony mirrorless stuff is dated to the specific camera I guess that is in question which was the Sony A seven are the original model Sony A seven or not the the Sony seminar two or three or a nine. But But something I’m really noticing, though, is that, yeah, that a seminar had some problems with it. And I’m sure that’s what was addressed most specifically in the a seven, two, and now than the a seven, three. And there’s just a few parts of it that didn’t really come together, as well as I needed them to for like a tool that I would use professionally all the time. But I really did enjoy it. Like the sensor really made images look nicer, then even the other full frame camera systems that we had used before like even three which I love. And like really like even as I’m shooting with the Canon stuff now. I do miss not because better necessarily, but like just because my muscle memory is trained for Nikon. I do miss like the Nikon full body camera controls that I had on the d3 because I was just so used to veal you just grow Yeah, got it, roll this style, roll this style, then you’re set. And now I’m kind of relearning that then sort of restructuring that hey, car. We got one more coming by. But yeah, so it’s kind of interesting getting used to I bet I’ll probably figure out a lot of stuff. But yeah, I’ve learned like a ton of stuff just in the last few weeks about, about what I need to do. And sort of like how it works, or you know, like what all the different buttons do what the different modes and stuff too. And there’s a lot of features in the five D Mark three that are pretty cool to get into that you can definitely take to like a professional level that I wasn’t really familiar with before with some of the other cameras. So it’s cool, I’m having a good time, shooting with it and making a bunch of stuff. It’s a fun Maui camera. And it’s a fun like camera to be working with too. I’m really happy that we have have a good setup for us here on the island.
Me too. I’m I’m really happy with it. And I know what you mean about the full body camera setup. I like that a lot too, though, it is nice for the kind of work that we’re doing to have a lighter body.
Yeah, yeah. A little bit to Me, too. Yeah, there’s a few advantages about that, that I really did enjoy. And I want to try and expand what we have here like to like a, like a 50 millimeter f one for minimum, I guess. But I really want to try and like have some stuff like that. I really enjoyed shooting landscape images with prime lenses. And I know they’re like not as flexible in a lot of ways. And so there’s there’s probably plenty of reasons that you could do any number of things you feel comfortable with as a photographer, but I just really liked the way that that sort of worked out for me a lot of time or like kind of being able to sort of move with my feet and focus on different things and or you like focus my attention on different things outside of what focal length I had to decide on. So yeah, it was cool. It was a it’s fun kind of adjusting to it. But I’m really happy having like a 24 to 70. I think that’s that’s kind of, at least at the minimum. That’s what we need. I want to I want to move soon to adding to our collection, like a 70 to 200.
Oh, me too. I want a telephoto very, very much. I really want to try and get into this having that.
Yeah, I want to try and get into a nice telephoto that we can use for our Canon cameras that that we can, I’m sure do like a ton of stuff out here with I mean, absolutely, gosh, yeah, I’m sure there’s just probably no limit with that. But so it’s cool overall, that we’ve got these Canon cameras and that we’re up and running in Maui, and we are working in photography jobs. And we’re kind of getting used to the island, we’re building a lot of stuff for our portfolio. So that’s a really cool part of it is that we enjoyed Oregon a ton. And it was really cool being there. And will I’m sure be back someday. But for now it’s really cool kind of seeing a different area and sort of a totally different type of troposphere and landscape environment. So we’re able to do like a lot of stuff with the beach with the tropical environment with the mountains and stuff that are here. So it’s really fun and exciting to have like all these new opportunities to take different photos.
Yeah, I really, I really like I appreciate this experience a lot. It’s very cool getting to be in an area where we get to create a new set of type of work.
Yeah, I’m really happy that we get to do that too. So Well, I appreciate everybody tuning in to listen to this Maui update for the Billy Newman photo podcast. And I guess I would say we’re signing off now. Thanks for talking with me for a while Marina. Thanks, Billy. I like your new podcasting spot. Yeah, it’s pretty fun. I like We’re here to it’s a it’s actually kind of fun. It’s sort of comfortable talking out here too. It’s a nice, nice way to spend our evenings. So on behalf of Marina Hanson, my name is Billy Newman and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast.