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Hello and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today we’re going to be talking just I guess for a second about some of the outdoor hike stuff that’s kind of going on as we’re coming in to late May and definitely as we’re coming into the Memorial Day weekend but I just finished up a hike in the Mackenzie River area which is really cool beautiful spot you go up highway 126 outside of Eugene OR probably down for any number of ways that you get down on the the I five but beautiful area to get up there you know it’s probably one of the world class hiking areas you can get to in a pretty easy way a lot of opportunities that are that are kind of offered there there’s a lot of really nice open hikes that are there you know, like pretty wide natural trails that are near the road but are also really separated from from the road and from any kind of like highway action pretty significantly. So it seems like you’re really kind of removed from it in a pretty nice way. And then as you know, it’s really beautiful right now as the snow melt has kind of dropped out of the mountains you get this really just crystal clear blue water that’s in the higher elevation areas as you move up into the mountains in the Mackenzie River area. But it was really awesome to see in that and a fantastic area to go to go hike and to go take some pictures and to get spent part of the day but if you’re in the area, or if you have the opportunity, one of the places to get out there would be the Mackenzie River Trail area.
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You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, cool stuff over there. Yeah, like I said, I like the October time period you know it’s kind of a cool outdoor month for stuff and that’s kind of what I was gonna talk about too is kind of layering up stuff for October I’ve been trying to kind of build up the layers of clothes and the layers of like shelter stuff that I have for some of the outdoor travel stuff that I go out and do and I do it on a budget and I don’t really have much stuff and like other people have a lot more experience of like just getting to try all these different pieces and see like the benefits or the kind of weigh out the pluses and minuses of different pieces. So I’m sure like it’s probably the case that like the best gear is always the best gear. It’s kind of interesting to sort of go through those checklists or you know like kind of in your mind like seeing like what like how’s this work what’s better for me for this thing or not so I’ve been pretty happy always have or for the last couple of years to have like a gortex range outlay and for a lot of outdoor stuff that I do in Oregon, later into the year that’s been like a real lifesaver for having just like a hard waterproof shell that I can like really trust that has like a good hood on it that can keep me dry for most of the day. That along with I guess kind of like working inward like the puffy jacket makes a huge difference. And so I use like a puffy jacket all the time. There’s a few different like sizes though and you sort of have to like look at the down fill layer to see what’s going to be best for you and like the climate that you’re going out to that it’s kind of weird it goes back and forth through me a little bit. So like out here in Oregon, where I am like west of the Cascades it’s sort of a mild climate area a lot of the year and so I’m able to I think you’re kind of dealing with like above freezing temperatures. Most hours and on most days for the year I think like you know there’s there’s some some sections of the year where you get some some heavy freezes but outside of those storm times it’s like it’s really like pretty mild weather a lot of the time and if I’m going camping or doing something outdoors in the winter I well there’s a couple different types I definitely use it but really for a lot of like the three season work I do I use a light puffy jacket either this north face, thermo thermo ball, I think it’s like a like a polyester based one. It’s not a downfield, puffy jacket but I’ve used that for maybe six years now and I really appreciate having that I think it’s great. That’s probably one of my most used insulating layers when I’m going out and I mean works great really all four seasons with compared in these mild weather circumstances like I am here in Oregon like that paired with that shell is been enough for me to go out and in almost every kind of weather circumstances I’ve been in when I’ve gone out and been working or like when I was working outside a lot in the rain and trying to VSI like most days through the fall and winter. It was really Fine to do that with a strong or like a good gortex shell that keeps you dry all the way and puffy thermo insulating layer that keeps you warm. So it’s pretty cool but kind of comparing that and I have like this Patagonia jacket that I think has like a heavier down fill rating and that has a lot of insulation to it, which is cool, warm jackets are great. And I definitely take that out kind of in deeper into the winter. But what I noticed though, is that for a lot of circumstances, like I said, three season work. And while you’re working or kind of like physically kind of exerting yourself I’ve never noticed like if it’s not below freezing that is too warm of a jacket to wear. And so you kind of get to pick a little bit of like where your, your environmental thresholds are like what kind of environment you spend a lot of time and this is going to be above freezing temperatures or below freezing temperatures, or is it going to be hot weather temperatures like where you’re working, you know, your coldest temperatures might be 50, but you’re really going up toward like the 80s and 90s pretty regularly. And that’s kind of a different environment to work into. So I’ve been kind of trying to keep an eye on that but as we’re kind of dropping into October the outfitting stuff that I’m doing is sort of away from the heat gear stuff that I would have been using where I’m in like lighter synthetic shorts and trying to use like lighter layers and stuff like in the winter you kind of get to layer up and stuff which is kind of fun sweater weather
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right what I picked up last year and I’m kind of excited to put some more use into it was a wool baselayer so I got a wool t shirt which is great and I kind of appreciate trying to cut out some of the cotton material that I’m using when I’m going out and doing some more outdoor stuff and I guess it’s because apparently back in the day cotton was a great revolution right you know it was a more breathable fabric and it would dry faster than other fabrics that they had available to them I guess is part of what was cool about it. But as I sort of understand now it’s one of the more riskier types of fabric that you can wear as a base layer when you’re out in the woods for a couple days or when you’re out camping or you know the talking TV shows about when you’re in a survival situation. And not really that but yeah when you’re out camping or if you were going to go hunting or you’re going to go on a couple day photo trip in the woods you’re just going to be living out of your truck and stuff it kind of is it ends up being a little difficult to use a lot of cotton pieces especially if you’re going to get wet or if it’s cold and you don’t want to get wet but you do get wet and that’s a bummer because the cotton stuff just kind of stays wet and it gets cold when it gets wet. And a couple of those things just sort of lead to it being a little bit frustrating and I guess that’s where some of the the survival complications of happy with people who are out in okay conditions they get hit with a cold rain or a wet snow and they’re in a like a an outer let you know their insulating layers but they’re like a cotton coating. Or like I guess like I guess tough, warm insulated Carhartt jackets on hunting in that they got into some wet snow on the second morning. The Carhart wet pants got or the pants that were insulated, got wet from the tall grass and brush that they walk through and then the person became hypothermic because of their exposure to the cold that soaked through their pants that got them very cold and I think they had to like ditch the band’s get into their sleeping bag it was synthetic and then they try to like warm them up with a hot water bottle in a sleeping bag or something like that out of the Jetboil but really like it ended the trip I think they like they can’t continue out as sort of stuff so it’s kind of interesting. I like that kind of that kind of thing can go and I know people have probably heard anecdotes like that similarly in the past I’d hear like someone else talking about like a warm weather thing where I think they were going out on like a 42 day canoe trip Can you imagine that like going through some big river system and Labrador up in Canada. Wow, fun times popping out in the Hudson Bay or something, who knows. But they would go out there and they would talk about like all like the specific limitations on the type of fabrics that they would select to use because like if they got wet in the river, or I think it was like a cold weather or who who knows what kind of weather you’re going to get sort of circumstance where you’d go between hot and cold and Canada kayaking or canoeing down 1100 miles or something like that, just big long trips like that. And they would kind of be really specific about how like they they won’t even have cotton boxers or cotton underwear because it’ll it’ll be the thing that ends up being a problem other people or another person. I think kind of there’s there’s a lot of great ways to sort of work through this next problem, but I think someone argued that they did have cotton on them, so that they could use it as a fire starter. If they needed a fire starter, I suggest to just bring Firestarter or some other some other material like that I think it would probably get you by a little better than your cotton underwear. Best very sorry that I’ve used and heard about was
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well, I mean yeah, like a stove or whatever but if you’re if you’re trying to light a fire in the winter like having a plastic bag with Vaseline dipped cotton swabs was like a pretty inert material. Just like having a backpack doesn’t smell like kerosene or something. And it has multiple uses you can use it cosmetically for everything’s our goodness, if your lips chap, I hate it when it gets dry and cold and you go oh man, my pores can’t handle it. They were in a different environment. 5000 feet a difference in elevation a day ago, too much change and too much seasonal change. Now you get like, I don’t know just rough spots or dry spots are supposed to use a Vaseline you get the cotton swabs for all sorts of different things, but they’re fantastic if you light that up. It’s a great little flame ball and you can use that with a stack of your other dry materials to get a fire going. Even in pretty wet conditions especially if you’re kind of keeping your your Firestarter material protected in some little part of your backpack. Keep it a try and stuff that works out pretty well. And I think it works better than like your underwear on a rafting trip. So but yeah, I’ve heard of that. Yeah, people people try to not use that people try to like drop their leather belts like they won’t take a leather belt out into the woods either. I like I wouldn’t like a sturdy belt. I like what you see like people like big leather boots or whatever it’s not because it gets washed, waterlogged, but I guess cuz it’s maybe a weight thing. I think that’s what the idea was for, for maybe they’re like going backpacking and use like a piece of nylon webbing as a belt at that time. or other stuff we’re like, I don’t know, just little tricks and things like how you kind of hide certain materials and other materials and stuff. But it’s it’s weird how it goes. So I guess yeah, cotton stuff is sort of no go. They talk about using wool a lot as sort of like a preferred material to make it out of or down here like down stuff is kind of a preferred material. And then I also kind of hear similarly, sided, bad things about sort of the petroleum develop products that you get from polyesters or nylons, or I guess like this polyester insulating foams, you get like those thermoball insulating foam bits that would be in the pouches of another polyester material that makes up like the puffy jacket that I wear. For the Patagonia one that’s a downfield, puffy jacket. And you have little goose feathers poking poking out of it all the time, too. Yeah, I feel like you feel around the right way a little a little goose feather I’ll punch out the side and pull it out a little feather right there a little little down feather, which is kind of trippy. But those I guess are like a better insulating system than like the synthetic kind of oil based stuff. And I guess the same goes for like sleeping bags too. If you want to get into like a sleeping bag to keep you warm. There’s something like the like the 15 degree bags that are well I don’t know and it has a couple other features too, I guess it’s like light and it stretches down well and if you get it wet, you can get a drag and well I guess it depends on like certain qualities down sometimes that kind of get i think is a little tricky. But the wall I guess you can get, you can have get wet, you’ll stay warm and you can get it dry faster. And I think that’s sort of the benefit of the wall on the animal that gets wet too. You know, like if you think of a sheep getting rained on all the time, I guess it’s sort of part of the fibers that it doesn’t doesn’t attract a lot of odor, because it has to be on an animal all the time. And I guess it does well to not have to like make you cold when it gets wet. I guess that’s a big part of it. So a lot of the merino wool fabrics that have come out or the merino wool blends that are with some little bit of spandex or some other kind of natural fiber product that they try and put in helps to kind of be a little bit more durable when they have those little blends, but mostly you want like a pretty strong merino wool fabric. And that’s pretty cool if if you’re getting sort of like a base layer or something like that. It’s a little bit more tuned for the outdoors there’s like wool sweaters or something that you can find but that’s not quite there cool old white shirts, you know like an old old Pendleton shirt or an old filson shirt that’s like a lagers kind of wool button that that would go into like a like a canvas jacket. I kind of think it’s cool but that’s sort of a different look and it’s used to be the the technical gear layering and probably still you’d see if you get like I don’t know like a horse guide like a guided trip with a horse or a mule or something like that. That’s the pack and a bunch of stuff they probably still use gear that sort of similar to that without the kind of like the technical stuff Got a gear that you try and find it like Rei hiking places or something or, or wherever, whatever else similarly branded. But yeah it’s cool that I tried to do some wool Merino underlayers trying to work with those puffy jackets when I can
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try to work with a soft shell that actually gets a lot less use than it used to. I used to try new soft shells all the time but but really I just kind of go with the wool the wool base layer The North Face kind of wore you know, like warmer temperature rated puffy jacket and then I have the gore tex layer over that picked up a hat this year. That’s pretty cool. Like in that boots had a couple different sets of boots for the October stuff before it gets real heavy in the in the season before it gets like real wet or rainy. Now while I’m kind of doing some of this lighter outdoor stuff I have like a pair of heavy leather boots that are super cool for some of the deeper hiking stuff that you get into especially after it’s real wet and rainy and stuff but really for a lot of the light season stuff and sort of summer spring stuff. I have these Nike s FB boots it’s like that military dude I picked it up in brown like a desert tan color. And then I also picked up a similar pair that underarmor makes and so they’re kind of like a lighter, more athletic shoe from the base but they have like kind of tall neck that goes up to like your mid mid upper ankle there. And so it’s not like a real Tabu or like it’s not like galoshes, they’re not waterproof, they’re kind of vented on the sides and they dry out they’re kind of like a synthetic material that dries out pretty quick when you do get it wet but it also has like a good bit of tread and you can get them wet get them dry and wet. I think that kind of made for a okay dry environment that’s sort of where I use most of the time is you know hiking around for any of this kind of lighter duty for us that was really nice because they’re light boots like with those other heavy leather leather ones like just the soles of the boots seem like they’re pound each you know you kind of like feel it the first couple of days you getting back into the use of them during the season where you’re like man my feet are like four pounds heavier it seems like each just kind of like walking with a weight on it. So it’s nice to have one of the newer sort of higher tech boots they don’t have the same kind of ankle support as like a thicker leather boot does or and they don’t have the same kind of heel support. I like to talk about like those you know thick like like a two inch heel or something that like one of those whites boots has or if you get like Red Wings they have like a real deep thick heel that you can use to kind of stomp in and cut in on some hiking stuff and these yeah it’s just kind of like a good a good sort of smooth walking boot and you get some ankle support from that that tell him neck but it’s sort of a fabric so that it really seems like it you just it’s a light boot and seems like you’re ready to run and you can do like an athletic maneuver in these pretty well and it doesn’t seem like the boots gonna be too heavy to slow you down not not right for every circumstance like if I’m really going in a deeper area it’s cool really it’s nice to have like the kind of protection of a steel toed leather boot but like the the normal s sfbs i think are not a steel toe I think I think these Under Armour ones though are and then there are steel toe versions that are out there. But that does seem to I’ve kind of run into a few circumstances where after some of the some of the more woodsy stuff it really seems like having the steel toe has helped a lot to keep keep my feet protected and stuff and if you hike ally you gotta gotta watch out for blisters and stuff too. One of the big things I’ve noticed to help that is like really breaking in your shoes with three weeks or more but three weeks of like pretty near full time use to really start getting them broken in or to get kind of the feel the break the crease, the kind of the fabric kind of working together and the way that it’s gonna fit around your body and stuff but yeah, it seems like it takes about three weeks to sort of get those issues broken into a spot that that ends up being comfortable for longer trips and longer where I had like a pair of shakos in this jacket they were great you know that you don’t you don’t wear socks and you don’t like buffer it with wool socks or something but I remember I think working with those for like three weeks or so at first your feet, man, they will rub raw Yeah. Yeah they’ll you’ll get some hot spots with the webbing on those chalk as it’s like this real kind of tough webbing but after like three weeks or so like after you kind of wear your foot into it so that it’s kind of strong enough to deal with it. And you also start breaking in the rubber of the boot or the rubber of that that foot or the shoe through your foot. But once you get that all kind of broken and I was able to hike for miles and miles and those and really have no rub problems at all. I think I did. I think I did the whole the whole hiking trip up to the summit of the paintbrush divide in the cast. skiing, you know, like the Tetons chip I talked about some times Yeah, I did that whole hiking trip at the Tetons in early, mid late September. Probably right around now, but I did that trip in the Tetons with just those those black shakos that I had that had like kind of that boot tread bottom and I did great through that whole trip I did like a 42 mile trip down the lower road that was like a hiking backpacking trip so you have a backup back pack on you got these little river shoes on and you’re hiking away on the trail and yeah a lot of the times if you’re not really in shape for it man those will just rip your feet up pretty badly and I’ve seen it really affect people’s trips before you know like where their shoes just like really start to bite in on him and it happens really fast. As soon as you get like a hotspot or something it can be just a quarter mile or another mile and then like that that problem has been exacerbated a lot so as soon as like gets bad boom man gets bad fat or it starts to degrade fast and then once it’s gone it’s it’s gone on for a while
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you know it’s it’s bad and it can cause some some mobility problems when you out there so I think kind of to kind of deal with some of that stuff we’re kind of breaking them in earliest school which is what I’ve been trying to do with some of my shoes but yeah trying to get outfitted for this stuff in October it’s been kind of fun trying to work out the the layers and stuff
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Yeah I’ve really liked it it’s been cool having a completely different camera setup.
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Yeah I see we were working with Nikon for the longest time like it was probably about 10 years ago so that about my first Nikon camera and that was like a D 40. Before that I’d used a couple others but but yeah, that was like the first DSLR system that I got to get into digital photography and that was about 10 years ago and so I was with Nikon kind of building a system in Nikon for a really long time nearly that whole 10 year period and it really didn’t didn’t blossom into a ton of stuff so I thought yeah, I’m gonna sell all this I’m gonna try and go with a different system for a little while and I think the Sony stuff is paid off pretty well there’s definitely some stuff that fits what we do in photography really nicely.
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Absolutely I think that yeah, I think that the Sony cameras are really really good for like outdoor landscape and all that adventure photography that people are starting to that we’re so into.
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Yeah, I love doing the the outdoor adventure tourism photography stuff and like the low light
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stuff really the low light all of the nighttime photography options. It’s really amazing.
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Yeah, there’s so many great options or just abilities that you can have with them with high ISO sensors now like on the Sony line, there’s just a lot you can do really cool stuff that you can shoot stuff you can never have done before like, like the whole like Chris Picard documentary or film that he put out about photographing like surfers in the auroras. Yeah, at night. Yeah, you just could never have captured that before but it’s really one of the first times and it’s right on the cusp of at that point in history where we have sensors that are that are capable of capturing that kind of low light stuff in real time. Like capturing that many frames to get video at night like that but also capture those real colors. So it’s cool to get stuff that’s kind of close to the human eye can do. Yeah,
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it’s really cool. It’s It’s really amazing shooting with it and seeing that really yeah, like you just said it’s it’s capturing really just what you are able to see
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Yeah, yeah, it’s a really fun part about it. And then that’s also what’s so cool about being like our age and being photographers is we’re gonna get to kind of grow into some of this technology has its really starts to mature over the next decade and two decades, it’s really going to advance a lot where we get into way more capable sensors. I mean, you know, now we’re just getting to this point where we think like, oh, wow, that’s starting to look like what an AI can do. Like imagine 10 years now into the future where we get wide dynamic range photos, or you know, like things that have like, like, just way more capabilities way more information than the files we get. Now we get like 3d maps that are like 360 degree, you know, we’re gonna have like, we’re gonna be shooting holograms someday
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yeah No kidding.
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Really cool if it happens I don’t know. But it’s fun though yeah working with the Sony stuff and kind of transitioning into something that’s a bit more of a modern camera system for like a long time in the last couple years we shoot with a Nikon d3 system and which was great and that was kind of the first the first time that we were working with full frame cameras right which was a big upgrade I mean I said the film work that we did for a long time yeah working with full frame digital was it was a big upgrade and then now working with the with video, which is a silly thing to talk about. Sounds like 2009 but I’m really excited Yeah, having a DSLR or now not a DSLR since it’s not single lens reflex. These mirrorless ones are interchangeable lens cameras,
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right? I saw that it was written as that in smiles that I read yes
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and interchangeable camera yeah it’s kind of strange but but yeah I’d like to have like shooting with it and kind of changing over to that
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yeah it’s really cool because it’s kind of our camera set up before it was like you said it was the the d3 the Nikon d3 yeah but that doesn’t do video nobody does our full frame camera and then the camera that we had for video stuff was my Nikon D 7000 was yeah full frame
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yeah the crop sensor but it was cool though like working with it and try it was
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great I loved that camera we got a lot of really wonderful video with it. Yeah but it’s so cool having a full frame camera that does really nice video really amazing low light video
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yeah it really does a lie you know I know that a seven S is like the the model that that’s supposed to be like the hot one for video right?
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Yeah,
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I think it has like a I think it has a different kind of sensor and it’s like a way lower megapixel sensor. And I think it’s supposed to be able to capture some kind of higher quality file type like I think it’s s log sweated here before it’s you know how we were shooting like the AVC Hd mp4 is I think there’s this other one called s log it’s sort of like it’s closer to a raw file or it supposed to be closer to like a higher end file that you would get out of a cinema cameras or something like that is I think a little close to what it is but yeah these these cameras do like a great job at shooting video it’s been really cool to try and get used to that and man like compared to what you could do years ago it’s it’s astounding what you can do it’s awesome so it’s been cool switching over but the thing is is like we have in a seven our I think this was modern technology in 2014 that sounds right maybe it was 13 but I think yeah, it was like 2014 that this one had popped out and it’s a fantastic camera I really appreciate it I mean we were living here at that time it doesn’t seem like it’s that far in the past but there’s been a lot of advancement even since then and especially from Sony as an equipment manufacturer for cameras and I think you were doing some research about that and you pulled up some some great notes about like the a seven or three release that was just announced
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right
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that’s pretty cool we had like the a nine announced I think earlier this year which is also a really interesting camera option like it’s the higher the more fully professional version of a Sony interchangeable lens camera Yeah, I think that’s what it’s supposed to be but there’s a lot of interesting stuff about the a seminar three now but that could be pretty cool I think there’s a new battery type yeah higher capacity battery system now.
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Yeah which is great news because those batteries suck it’s really that’s what I don’t like about this cameras
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yeah for as much as screentime time as it uses with you so much battery yeah for the types of files that is writing to disk I mean if you if you ask like your laptop to transfer 40 gigabytes of you know like when we shot one of those weddings and we burn through a battery it’s like well we did right 32 gigabytes to a card pretty constant yeah pretty remote video like causley so I guess it must take like some amount of electrons to want to run that to charge it so it’s amazing that it can do it but it’s it’s really awesome and necessary that the a seminar three gets the upgrade of having a more stable battery system and that’s really been one of the downsides of the Sony system for a long time the other upgrade that they’ve been talking about was improved autofocus systems like it was a faster autofocus it really I don’t know anything about it though but I’ve been upset with the the autofocus system so far on on the a seminar I think a lot of people have complained about that it’s one of those weird things where I think it has like a gajillion autofocus points but just they’re not like fast you know what I mean? It’s like it’s just it’s like it has them but they don’t like operate
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yeah they don’t respond the way that they’re supposed to all the time.
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It doesn’t seem like it I mean I suppose it was supposed to be kind of a slower auto focusing camera. I don’t really know what changes that the dynamics of what makes like faster, slower but man yeah I was definitely behind some of the competition on Canon or Nikon of like just being in focus. Yeah. And maybe that’s an issue that we have with our camera it could it could very well be more more prevalent with this one. But I noticed like with with the a seven two that we had for a while that that seemed like poor focus a little faster. Yeah seemed like work a little bit sharper.
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It seemed like the second model. I bet that a seven or two is probably yeah at least similarly a little bit quicker at it.
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I know that it was supposed to have a new autofocus system in it. It was like a 500 point autofocus system that was supposed to be just kind of a crossover. It was supposed to be a lot better as I guess what? I don’t know what it was supposed to be really but now this one’s supposed to be better than that one.
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That’s what I heard I heard it was supposed to be pretty comparable to the a nine I
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think that’s great. I mean, yeah, it’s decent or acceptable. And it’s really cool that it’s coming out soon I think we’re probably likely to hear announcement of an a seven or Yeah, an a seven s three and a seven s three instead of an a seven or three Yeah, we’re I think we’re gonna see like an upgrade to that one also sometime in this next year. And maybe an a seven three as that goes to you know what? upgraded battery system? Yeah. Yeah, maybe an upgraded sensor, or, or upgraded sensor options or something, but, but it seems like maybe they’re on track to do something like that in the next year. I think then the kind of space their announcements are a little bit.
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Yeah, they’re quick with it, are they they have a lot of announcements this seems like are just like through the last few years, it seems like so many things have been updated. Oh, I totally agree like quicker than quicker than canon comes out with things quicker than Nikon comes out with. It seems like
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it seems like it’s going pretty fast though. I do remember like 2000 by 2001 234 and five, man it really exploded during that time. Like the like it was just boom, boom, boom, a camera like every six months, it seemed like you know, to get to get that many iterations out that quickly. It was like because they were just populating the home the whole market channel for the first time with digital cameras, so they just had to had to make the professional one an immediate one, the beginner one, all at the same time for the first time. And then again, like a year later, so it was just like, like every couple of weeks. new cameras coming out. Yeah. Yeah, like, I mean, if you imagine like, how much how much changed, it was between 2002 1007 or so that was a huge growth, you know, and in camera stuff during that time. It was crazy how that was and then now like we’re kind of thinking like 2010 to 2017 let’s say Sony has definitely come a long way. I think in 2010 they were working on like the early MDX mirrorless systems those cropped up sensors Yeah. And and that was kind of the predecessor to the a 6008 6500 you know, whatever they have right now. That’s out but but yeah, it was interesting, they’ve kind of progressed so much and then and then really built out the the interchangeable or the mirrorless systems because for a long time in the 2000s they had sort of a mid range Sony line that was built by Mumia or not me me me some other some other camera manufacturer Minolta um and also okay Minolta made Sony DSLRs I think in the 2000s the other a series like the one that we gave our friends like that was I think a camera that was sort of constructed by Minolta as a manufacturer but it was sold as a Sony system and sold with Sony branded glass I don’t know if Sony was looking for a camera system but I think that these are these are now like more in house Sony systems and they’re much much better you know like that’s why like Sony DSLR was was never really something you heard back about 10 years ago. And then now like the next point that you’d brought up is that Sony is overtaken Nikon as the second company in the US for for full frame interchangeable lens camera sales. Yeah really interesting. I heard another thing there’s a photo of some photo convention over in New York and there was there’s like you know two big booths it was it was traditionally canon in a big booth and then Nikon and a big booth this year not Nikon it’s Sony yeah yeah Sony’s taken over in that spot and he’s announcing that he seminar three I think Nikon that just had an announcement You know, they’re out that they’re at the place with a different booth or somewhere else or something. So it’s interesting to kind of see that that change over from so many people sort of moving away from Nikon stuff and moving into some of this interesting Sony equipments and coming up
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and it’s really interesting. I really noticed it, I think, to just when we were selling off our Nikon stuff and stuff we saw a lot of a lot of other people seemed to be doing the same thing.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. It seemed like that when I was cruise through kth it really seems like Sony cameras camera bodies are really hard to be found. Yeah they’re pretty pretty hard to come by so there’s definitely yeah yeah it’s it’s interesting to see kind of how that that shift is happening and
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it’s it’s really interesting I see a lot of people using the like the a 6000 yeah also like the not quite professional ones I see a lot of people using just Sony cameras.
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I think that was what a lot of selling cameras of the year that it was produced.
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36,000
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Yeah, I think that’s one of the
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higher I believe it. That’s a really good camera. First cheapest it is. Yeah, that’s a great camera.
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Yeah, yeah, it definitely is one of the one of the best cameras that you can get started with, I think, yeah, and with a lot of the things that it does it perhaps simply it really gets it done. I’ve been working with easy’s Yeah, I’ve been working with an A 6000 for a few months now. Just as a production camera for work. works great. It’s just the base kit. It’s really simple. It was way cheaper than like the 15 $100.70 mark two system that we were working with. And that was just body only this was like, you know, lens and flash and we were half the price or something. So for a production system like this. Yeah, I just it just fit in just perfectly. It was fine. It was both crop sensor, you know, nothing different about. So yeah, it’s been really interesting to kind of see see some of the interesting stuff that Sony is doing. But what Well, I don’t know what I thought was cool about some of the Sony transition stuff. I heat is coming on here, at least. Yeah, it’s a fun old house with a boiler in the basement. And then as the heaters Come on, it sounds like people are sledge hammering the pipes in the walls. Maybe look up maybe look up the sound filter earlier, the noise gate that we’ve got. But yeah, with some of the Sony stuff, it’s been cool transitioning kind of being part of the the wave of stuff that we’re learning about and being able to kind of dip into some of the low light stuff that we can do some of the video stuff that we can do. I’ve liked it so much. No, it’s been it’s been really useful. I’ve learned a lot just by doing that, you know, like before that we were really invested in film equipment. And and that was a really cool workflow. Like for the last couple of years, we’ve been doing 35 millimeter film processing stuff, or you know, we have a process and to do digital adjustments to and then I can scan it and show it and stuff. And that’s been great. I really did the style that we got out of that. And I want to get back into that a little bit with like the nav. Yeah. But for, like professional, like commercial activity and work and stuff. I think it’s great, like moving into the Sony stuff, and I really want to invest in some class with you,
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man, me too.
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Yeah, we got to do more class. Yeah, we
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need a few more lenses.
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