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Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I just mentioned yesterday how much more video editing I’m doing. But today what I wanted to talk about was the editor that I’m using. And so I’m really using a lot of Final Cut Pro. I think everybody is I think, well, what am I saying? I think I think a lot of people are using Final Cut Pro, but really a lot of people are using Adobe Premiere. That’s another one that’s out there. We’ll talk about that later, I guess. But I just did an update to Final Cut 10.4. And I’ve talked about this a few times to have switching over to try and process more 360 video and sort of a professional way or you know, kind of like as a product or something, some kind of nicer version of 360 video other than, I guess just what simply could be put together, but is absent What is it still simple, it’s easy. So 510 point four is pretty cool, because it has the ability to edit actual rectilinear images and then render those out. So you get to you get to visualize those in a VR environment, or you get to visualize those, visualize those out to an mp4 that you get to open up. And any kind of player throw up onto YouTube or Facebook, which is also pretty accepting of these 360 format videos. But it’s been really interesting working with it. And really what makes it kind of possible is the modern editing software of something like a Final Cut template for the as those those additions to work with, you know those pieces but interesting stuff. I like working with it, you know, it’s a lot of fun. And I think Apple has this design theme right now, where they you know, they have like a couple buttons, I don’t know what there’s probably like a little designer name for him like how they had the hamburger A few years ago, that was an element and apps and on mobile websites have the little stack of lines that would be at the upper left hand corner of a web page, you click on that, and it would fall out into a little menu or something that developers would talk about that as a hamburger, something about the way it looked in layers or something that developers are hungry, so I can figure that out. But in this one, there’s like three little icons that are up in the top kind of menu bar of Final Cut, when you click on those it has, it kind of pulls away different elements, different modules from Final Cut, like the browser, the project pane, or the information screen that you have kind of on the right side. And so it’s interesting, you know, they’re kind of messing around with it a little bit, but I like the darker theme of it all of it seems really great. And I appreciate it. I mean, it’s probably a smaller upgrade from what was like 10.3 point something. But really what you get out of this, like I mentioned is the ability to edit those 360 videos, and to do some stuff in VR. And I think some of its like, what is it and then you now get to like put up text, like text walls or word, you know, like Word Art or, you know, I guess effects in the 360 environment. We’re in the VR environment. And that’s kind of a cool addition to what you can do in Final Cut 10.4
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Really trying to do a lot of scouting stuff, which I’ve enjoyed to doing some scouting stuff through the summertime has been pretty cool. Where I’m really trying to go through some of these backroads I’m trying to like Mark spots in the map where there’s good campsites, which I hadn’t really done before. You know, it was a lot of places I’ve driven a lot, a lot of roads I’ve been on, especially, you know, like back country roads, to Forest Service roads, BLM roads, and I know a lot of good dispersed camping areas. And really, I understand the context of how to find those areas so much better now that I’m older than when I was young. I mean, when I was young, and I go camping with my dad, you know, we’d go out to Eastern Oregon we’d find some spots and they’d note about this spot since you know he was a kid and he was going over there and hunting camps and stuff with his grandpa. So it’s cool for me to get to go over to those same spots and get to check out that area and stuff. But I think there’s been or at least when I was a kid, I didn’t really understand that the land, like the public land rights that you have, and really how those are organized like how public lands are organized and what you can do on him and then sort of how it operates. I didn’t really understand the difference between national forest land and BLM land or national Parkland and state Parkland or wilderness areas, National Wildlife Refuge areas, man there’s just so many different distinctions of different things and then also just private property so I didn’t really have a clear recollection of Any of those things and really a lot of time when it’s public land, you can go on it, but there’s some things you can’t do on it like I they maybe hunt in some circumstances, like a, like a national park, or I think you can’t discharge a firearm inside of national park, but for specifically permitted events, maybe probably national wildlife refuges. I think those hunting opportunities are are limited. Also, though, you can still do some things in those areas, I think you have to get permitted and you have to drop tag for that location, I think is what it is. But, but yeah, it’s kind of interesting. So we’re learning about that learning how these things go, and also finally getting some maps that you can use that you can kind of trust better. While you’re in the back country. I think that’s something that’s really helped me kind of understand where I can go and what I can do and i don’t know i mean, we’ve had those map books you know, like that, that 50 page or 100 page book of Oregon and you know, every every page is 25 mile map of that area is always super useful to have that kind of grid out everything and show you that you know, the mile by mile marking and the topography of the area, the different little roads and stuff but even those roads, those mapmakers still got things wrong, I remember to you know, back in like, was it 2004 I think we were out in an area in Southern Oregon near the Nevada border was a Druze reservoir somewhere south of Gearhart mountain. And I remember we were on some, some little, some little road I don’t even know if it was if it was a national forest area, I think it was just in between private and public lands as it kind of jumps back and forth in those pretty remote areas. All of it is just remote, desert and forest and sagebrush and Juniper. But some of it goes into like ranch land, it’s more managed and some of it cuts back into BLM land as this as this little road sort of meander through it. But I remember being out there and noticing that the map on the page was just totally different than the map or than, you know, the real world ground truth of where the road went. And I thought oh, wow, yeah, you can’t really trust the maps to show you the information that you want to see when you need it other times too you know, you’ll see like Oh, hey, like it shows there’s a road right here. Good deal we’ll take that road Well, you know, it shows it’s on the map so you cut down there you get on the road and then it’s washed out like crazy or it’s super bumpy and like and just terrible, right? And but it’s the same green road the same label, the same marking is the road next to it that was graded and, and
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aren’t was that paved, right? It’s graded gravel, they put more gravel down, I think is what I’m trying to say they’ve, they’ve made it an easier going road to drive on. But then you get those washboard sections out there. I don’t know if you guys have done that, where you’re driving around in the Forest Service roads and those gravel roads. And I think it’s a natural process of erosion that occurs that creates these waves in the material. You know, as I think as a rainwater comes down, it sort of naturally over time generates these, these little ripples. And that’s the washboard effect that you get when you’re driving. That’s also the thing that kind of kicks your car sideways when you’re, you’re going a little too fast on a gravel road. So I started doing today I think I kicked it pretty hard side or you know, like, it’s pretty loose on the traction and it was starting to tip sideways in my truck. And so I slowed down and threw it into four wheel drive after that, and was able to cruise around out here pretty freely. But yeah, I wanted to talk on this podcast about hanging out in the Fremont National Forest and I just got finished with a huge thunderstorm that came through. It just really finished raining a little bit ago. We were kind of I think when I arrived to today at this Meadows still a few hours before sunset, so I walked around and kind of went along the perimeter of the meadow and then and then I noticed that you know, I mean it’s cloudy. It’s been kind of cloudy today, and there’s been thunderheads that have been building up over the location that I’ve been ever since I kind of came over the past the Cascades have been in like a pretty solid string of a thunderheads that have sort of coalesced into big mass over the Cascades some of the here over the Fremont National Forest river mountains these are that I’m in and and yeah it seems like this section in Eastern Oregon was getting hit with a good Thunder a good summer August thunderstorm today which was kind of fun to sit through and go through it was cool if I got rained on pretty hard earlier when I was driving over I thought I’d get out here and be a little bit more free of it but it seemed like that storm kind of drifted over this way and it was sort of drifting north from here and and yeah, there’s a new system but man there’s just a bunch of lightning that was coming through and huge cracks of thunder just big deep rumbles I haven’t heard Thunder like that. And in years and years probably you know where it just kind of stays and like hangs and rolls for 10 seconds. 15 seconds it seems like you know you just really kind of like whoa is Can it really still be just cracking and rumbling and rolling and And there was enough activity and if lightning activity that was going on there where you’d hear thunder, I mean, it was almost like 45 minutes there where there was just a crack and a roll of thunder almost continuously like it was. It was pretty intense. It’s, it’s, it’s really I think one of the more strong lightning storms I’ve been in in a while but that’s sort of how it goes out here when you have these higher elevations I think I’m floating around up in the 5100 feet or so above sea level. And so it just means I’m up in the mountains where these these thunderstorms get started, you know, they get there, they get there. I think that’s where they they’ll kind of coalesce over these big mountain tops and then float over in the hot weather. I don’t really understand the weather enough to say I know how a thunderstorm starts it doesn’t start now. I’ve just gotten cold enough I’m trying to throw jacket on. Now you gotta live through it. I’m really camping. It’s been good. But I’m gonna be out here for two nights I think is what I’m going to do and then tomorrow a cruise out and I’ll try and hit some of these Forest Service roads for a bit. drive around do some exploring mark a couple spots on the map as a as I’m cruising around. I think that’ll be that’ll be a good time but the I haven’t been out here before. I think I’ve heard of a couple friends that have been out in this area that have done some. I think they did a couple scouting trips for a hunting trip that they’re going on in the fall. I think this is an area where we’re one of my friends goes I think they try and draw a tag for not this area. I think it’s a drainage over from here but I think I’ve heard about this area a couple times from from people talking about it. So yeah, it’s cool, it’s cool spot it was out taking pictures earlier taking some photographs I’ve been working mostly probably for almost a year and a half now. I’ve been working a lot with this 17 to 40 millimeter wide angle Canon lens. And it’s a pretty inexpensive lens and you can get it for like 400 bucks, maybe a little less if you’re lucky and you get it on a sale time sometimes in the fall as we’re kind of ramping down toward
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what Thanksgiving I think you can get some good deals on it but that’s it’s sort of in the the $400 range I think sometimes maybe it’s more around five or something but I picked it up a couple years ago when I was starting to do some real estate photography or was working for Airbnb for a while where they had hired me as a photographer to go into these Airbnb plus listings and get a new set of photographs. I was interested in kind of learning about how specific they wanted all this. This photographs and this this really specific art style and and you know format of it and that was fine. It was interesting to do for a while but but what was cool is that I picked up that lens to get in and do that work. But really after that I’ve been appreciating how much I can do with that wide angle lens and then you know 40 millimeters isn’t way different than 50 millimeters. It’s certainly different for the effects of portraits and stuff but when I’m out here doing landscape stuff and I’m trying to take pictures of a lot of this stuff is kind of sketch photos to where I’m sort of going around and midday I’m taking some photos of some different things I want some cat photos and my track and my my little cooler set up in the back here.
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And so all that’s been good in addition to that the the Astro photography stuff that I can do with it is pretty cool because it drops down to the 17 millimeters. It’s an autofocus lens, it’s a sealed lens, it’s it’s pretty it’s it’s pretty good and most ways and I’ve really noticed over time that I’m not as as absolut have a mandate for me to be shooting at a really wide open f stop you know, shooting in a wide open aperture almost all my photos early on were 1.8 or or 2.0 or two eight or something and I would do that really because I was trying to I was really trying to get because I didn’t have very many lenses I was really trying to get as much effect out of that book k out of that soft background as I could. So I was really trying to lean into that and get some photos with it and I noticed with my camera and equipment at the time that it just it just looked better. They just did look better when it was at you know f1 eight I think I just had that nifty 50 Nikon 50 millimeter for the longest time that’s what I did. I did my early trips on and did a lot of my portfolio building stuff on that but but I’ve got a different 50 millimeter lens with me now I’ve got it on my film camera in my bag right now which I need to take out too and I’m trying to finish a role of avatar film it’s been on there for a while and I’ve enjoyed shooting it it’s cool it’s a it’s a new Canon camera to me at least I got it used on kth and spent 35 bucks on it 10 bucks to ship it and it takes a weird battery to it’s one of those 90s film cameras it has this weird it almost looks like a battery pack. This it’s like to almost like to double lays if they were a little fatter, but are bonded together in this little Plastic pack and then you pop that in there and shoot for a little while I guess and it runs a meter okay so I’m I’m getting by with it but I’ve noticed the film cameras stuff it’s it’s fun to have an awesome film camera it’d be cool to have a Leica and all the lenses I wanted but a lot of the time with that you know the good lenses I have this this new or like canon l glass that I get to shoot through and for film photos and for the variety of images or the variety of lenses i have i can i can do telephoto I can do prime I can do really wide angle all with the modern digital Canon lenses that have you know chips in them that read well that meter well that make contact with or send information back and forth or at least from the lens to the camera I think xao works that works in the autofocus stuff for the digital camera this is this is autofocus yeah it’s an autofocus digital camera it’s sending information back it’s working yeah that makes sense yeah so it’s it’s cool like and that’s something I didn’t really have available to me for a long time you know, I think what I’ve probably on this podcast if you go way back in the archives I’m talking a lot about film with a Nikon f4 you know i mean that just had autofocus I was the first camera like 88 to get autofocus period. So it’s cool to have that in a more flexible way now but what I remember talking about in the past that was that I had like limited options with glass all the time, I didn’t really always have the lenses that I would have preferred and so I’ve kind of made a collection of that now with this canon stuff I got a Canon camera and so I can throw all those lenses on and have that same flexibility that I have with my digital set. But just with this, this film body that I get to shoot a roll through so I kind of saved the film stuff for when it’s a thing that I want but what I’ve noticed though for a little while is that I miss a lot of those moments and I ended up just having the the norm you know the regular digital camera with me with a bunch of my other gear whenever going out and trying to kind of just take the camera with me and then I’ll leave the bigger bag back at the truck so that I’m not really carrying as much stuff with me I’ve also started carrying like when I’m out here in the woods and stuff I’m carrying that binocular harness with me which is kind of cool. You can get them in different sizes but it’s sort of like if you imagine like a backpack but what they do is they strap on to the front so it’s right on your chest. And what you can do is fill is put like a pair of binoculars in there so you can pull them out and then scatter around with your binoculars do some glassing and then pop them back into your into your harness and then kind of carry on with whatever you want to do but if you leave that empty without the without the binoculars if you have a smaller Camera Rig probably like a mirrorless or a Sony camera you know like one of those Sony A 6000s and if you were a backpacker, and you had a Sony A 6000 and this this front carry
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like binocular pack, you’d be really sad that would be like all the camera bag but you’d need in fact really if I’m thinking about ever doing some like over you know some longer backpacking travel where I just have to pack everything in a way it’s gonna be something I’m more conscious of and I think that’s really like the way to go is I’ve kind of been thinking about it a little bit it’s like get to get a lighter camera. Or I mean it’d be great to like carry like a 360 camera you know if you’re going up someone else’s those are almost nothing as it is anyway but but if you’re carrying like an SLR or something that you want to try and do some some more controlled photography with you had something like a an A 6000 from Sony or an a seven seven or three or whatever it is something that size with a lens attached to it you know, that could fit in one of these binocular hearts is harnesses and carry kind of route on your front and then you see something and we take it, pop that open right on your chest, pull it right up to your eyes got straps on it in the harness, pull it right up to your eyes ready to shoot and you can take photos or take photos you know as quick as you want to so it’s kind of a cool process if you’re out hiking a lot for what I’m doing. I have my binocular harness but it’s got binoculars in it and I’ve been kind of going around and trying to do some bird watching stuff while I’m out here and so cool Hawk was posted up who’s looking at me, that’s about all I’ve seen so far. So I coyote the other day. That was cool. I’ll talk about that later that but because I had those binoculars in there and I’ve been kind of going out on these, these shorter hikes and stuff that I’ve been trying to go around and like just kind of watch them stuff or watch land and kind of keep an eye out but I just had the camera on my longer strap on my side with that 17 to 40 millimeter lens. And that’s worked really good and it’s been a pretty flexible kit for me to go around and take a bunch of photographs with so it’s pretty easy, pretty lightweight to work with and I can kind of move back and forth between those things strapped around my neck, you know, it’s not everything just hanging around my neck with a lanyard. It’s all kind of put somewhere or packed in somewhere. So that’s been kind of cool. But it was good going out and taking some photos tonight. I was trying to get some of the i didn’t i didn’t get any lightning in the camera though. The lightning stone kind of passed as soon as it was getting really dark enough to do like a long exposure kind of thing where I could, I could sort of catch something, something spark and otherwise, you know, you gotta you gotta beat the lightning bolt with your shutter finger. And that’s a pretty tricky task to do. I think that’s how they do it, you know, when you get those, you get those like magazine photos back in the day of powerful lightning bolt striking, I don’t know, the center of a road or something like that, it’s what they’d show, you know, some kind of power lightning bolt, but the way that they would do that stuff is I think, I think it was like it was dark out, you know, are pretty dark out. And so they’d set the camera up for just a cycle of long exposures, and then they would just kind of let it ride, you know, so they’d have a couple seconds to expose the image to whatever you know, at work, and then they just kind of have that rolling so that when, when a bolt of lightning did strike, and it would be captured, and you could go through that collection of captured or, you know, how is it that when a lightning bolt would strike the ground, the camera would have already been exposing for a photograph. Because it’s just cycling the shutter on a four second exposure, let’s say something like that. And so you know, it takes a four second exposure stops, processes for a second, it takes for second exposure stops processes for a second. So I think that’s how they did some of that stuff where they, they kind of anticipate. Alright, it’s been a couple minutes, let’s take a frame now and then it’s just going to be an event in the future so we don’t know if it’s going to happen or not. We’re going to wait for this event in the future when we boom, see a lightning bolt and then that light then exposes the sensor or the film and the camera and then you’re left with an image that has that lightning bolt represented in the frame when you’re shooting on a tripod or something like that with with like a short cycle, long exposure. And I thought that was pretty cool but I didn’t really get a chance to get all that stuff set up before the storm kind of passed me by I did get a lot of cool handheld stuff that was that’s great if the thunder heads and stuff and really unfortunately just in the location that I’m at a lot of the and I guess maybe for the better but that lightning storm didn’t pass right over my head, it was still a little ways away so I could see the lightning bolts cracking through the trees can out in the distance more, a few they stretched across the sky pretty good too. It’s just a big old, you know, from east to west, it was like a big old chunk of boulders crack all the way across the sky. It was cool.
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So I got photos of the thunderheads, the sunset, the the big field out here, it’s cool, it’s a nice area. But I was also thinking about some of the other stuff that I want to be doing tomorrow. So I’m out in the Fremont National Forest. I’m going to be heading I think maybe south from here and I’m going to try and explore a couple areas that are still open or I guess it’s all open publicly This is like a pretty large contiguous section of national forest land here and really like that’s a big part of Oregon overall right it’s like 53% public lands it’s cool Yeah, if you look at a map, you’ll see the cities and you’ll see like the highways and stuff but if you have the right map it’ll show you where the BLM land is and where the different national forest are. And it’s cool this whole area the Northwest is just there’s a lot of public land that you get to use and there’s a lot of open area that you get to go to and and yeah now that I’ve got a good map of the outdoor off road, roads and some of the terrain and stuff with some good notes and I’m able to kind of move around and get out to a lot more places than I had before. So it’s been cool the app that I’m using is the on x off road app it’s I think 2999 a year and so pitch that out picked up this app and then you can download offline these these really detailed off road maps that are supposed to show you all the trails you know even just walking trails all the roads all of the like the pieces of information you’d need for kind of moving around in the back country and really as surprising as it is as remote as a lot of these places are people go yeah you know it’s it’s also public land is managed by the the forest department forest Forest Service. Yeah, I think a lot of stuff managed by the Forest Service the BLM stuffs managed by the BLM and that’s why these roads are as good as they are or maintained and that’s why I like when trees are down on these mountain roads you know someone has to go through at the beginning of the year and cut all those out, rip them out filling the potholes, all that sort of stuff. So all these areas are are known about and you know kind of managed in a pretty significant way. In fact, I think more so to come in the future. I think they just announced yesterday or the day before that they’ve passed the great American outdoors act which I really don’t know the first thing about or or what it does or doesn’t do or what puts in or leaves out but I think part of my understanding is that it’s supposed to change some of the funding mechanisms that go into supporting the the maintenance of these public lands that are out here across the country but really significantly out here in the western states so it’s it’s pretty cool I think before that it was like well we should spend you know X amount of money but there’s a more important place for that money to go so it wasn’t like a guaranteed amount sort of what I understand so if I understand it correctly, it was like I think they said $3 billion a year of mandated funding for projects I think here in the back country BLM land Forest Service land and like national wildlife refuges and stuff so pretty cool But yeah, I think that’s gonna well maybe we’ll see a change in that I think it’s supposed to better fund the operations of BLM and forest service people as they’re going through and trying to get these areas ready for for the public to be using more regularly so it’s cool I think it’ll mean a lot over the next few years or what maybe we’ll see how it how it kind of transforms some of the way that these these areas are managed, I think maybe it’s more for mine, I probably shouldn’t even speculate. I’m not sure at all, but it’s pretty cool. I’m excited about being out here and doing some camping and stuff dealing with this thunderstorm. I think it’s one of those things where by the morning, you know it’s going to be or at least well I was looking at the weather it should be mostly cloudy, partly cloudy, mostly sunny tomorrow for a while so I think that’s pretty cool. I’m excited to be hanging out, do some cabin stuff, do some podcasting I’m in the back of my truck right now like I was saying it was rain and early after this thunderstorm so I got that canopy in my truck. And I’m nice and dry, nice warm, kind of feels like I’m just inside somewhere so it’s it’s a cool cool rig having the four wheel drive having the canopy on the back having your staff and your sleeping area just kind of set it back there and I’m ready to go. So I’ve been having a good time being out here and
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it’s been pretty good. Pretty good trip so far. I so appreciate you guys checking out this podcast from me. I’m gonna do a couple more podcasts while I’m out here on this camping trip and I’ll I’ll try and try and set up a little backlog of them on my website. I think it’ll be a good idea. Now I kind of take their breaks and stuff from it. I’m sure no one no one keeps listening when it when it is there. But hey, if you listen to this and the podcast, shoot me an email time for the plugs. It’s Billy Newman that photo.com if you want to check out my website, see some of my photographs, check out more podcasts that I’ve done, or books that I’ve tried to put together which is maybe what I’m going to try and do out here to try and get some photographs for another good book. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we’re running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you’re welcome to help me out. And since value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you’re interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that’s patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. I don’t know. I mean, like it’s kind of kind of fun to be checking out some stuff. What’s the other stuff I had to talk about? I think it was trying to figure out some stuff on like my Mac laptop, I’ve been trying to set it up more so that as the full set of applications and features and utilities on it that I wanted I’ve talked a little bit about that. I went ahead and I got the I stat menus application on there. So I can look at the sensors that are in my Mac Book. The one is the the network in and out speeds that our current and the history of the network up and down speeds I guess over the last day or so you know, seven days or you know all that all that information is in there, the amount of disk space or all these different pieces of information you kind of want to know about your computer in your system. Now it’s work and have Daisy disk, which is what I’ve been using in the past a lot it’s a really cool are pretty good graphical way of sort of showing the pie chart of what’s taking up space on your hard drive. I’m using Gemini as a de duplication application to go through and find like different versions of photos that I don’t really want to keep stored anymore, which has been interesting to go through or just these just straight duplicates where you know, the photograph pulled in. It’s just the raw version twice. And there’s no difference between it other than just one files named two. Something like that sort of silly so it’s taking a silly amount of space. This has been Good program to kind of find some of those programs and then eliminate them. And it’s good also to showing you like, or letting you compare like, these two are said to be the same do I’m gonna kind of automatically go through and take them out, I don’t really recommend that, it seems like it’s best to sort of go through and select a number of them and start pulling them out
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was sort of with some thought and care to it seemed like that made a difference to me when I did it. So it might make a difference if you tried to to another app that I jumped on to was the magnet app, which reproduces some of the functionality started seeing a Windows seven now in Windows 10, where the the windows like if you have a, some, some window up in some program and you drag it over to the left side, it’ll snap to the left side, and then kind of fill that side of the screen or if you drag it straight up, it’ll fill the full screen, if you bring it over the right side of that right side of the screen. That snapping stuff isn’t really on the Mac, it’s always sort of been set it to do these sort of multi window painting things, but I kind of like snapping over to the side. And it helps me have some bigger monitors to where you can kind of grab over to a side with if you have a couple programs. So I got this program called magnet, it’s one of the top selling paid apps. In the App Store. There’s a few different competitors to that people seem to be interested in, also, but I got this one, it was working great enough, it’s a little different than the way that the windows one does it but it’s fine. And it adds the functionality that I was looking for, which is great, great benefit for me. The other one, the other utility that I was picking up was paste the paste app, which I think is kind of interesting. It’s it’s like a clipboard app. So every computer I think, since we started getting graphical user interfaces, I think since as I recall, Windows 3.1 had a clipboard in it, but that’s when you do the copy paste stuff if you copy or cut, copy or paste if you cut or copy something, it goes onto your clipboard and then when you paste it, it’s pulled off the clipboard and paste it in to where it’s gonna go. But really the computer convention for whatever reason is just set to that you can only copy or cut one item at a time. And if you cut again, a copy again, there’s really no history of it or there’s no way to track back the level of things that you’ve had copied or cut if you want to paste those in so it can kind of add into some frustrations. But this clipboard utility paste the paste app I think is set to sort of store like snippets and and pieces of information that you’re going to try and pull up and use repeatedly over time through like your workflow. So I was trying to figure out a way to do that I’m doing a bunch of SEO stuff, like I was saying on that website. So going through and having like, like, you know, this is a block of links, this is a block of explanation. Texas is like a great meta tag This is for this stuff. If I have all that sort of laid out, that’s a great workflow where I can just kind of pull up and sort of it’s like, it’s visually the UI is that like a command on the keyboard and a poll at the bottom third of the screen and you have this history this row this like timeline of all the different times that you’ve copied something over to your clipboard, and you can go back to as far as a month or maybe even more than that and it’ll share it with iCloud too. So if you have different computers, you can have this app on there and you can kind of share everything on your clipboard around. It’s kind of interesting and it’s a cool little little useful Mac utility if you are so inclined to do copy paste, but I don’t know I you know, a lot of people seem to survive, which is what is it command community community? I guess I have up until this point, but try it out. That’d be kind of fun. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this. blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the backend.